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War Crimes [Pic]

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whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3349 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:04:45 AM
@Andrew155 - EXACTLY!

When I was in Iraq our Rules of Engagement (ROE) were VERY strict. In fact, they were so strict that plenty of enemy combatants who were just shooting at us were able to walk away like nothing happened.

The ROE stated that we couldn't initiate contact, we had to wait until we were shot at first. Also, we were only permitted to engage those who were holding a weapon.

Here's an example (true story):

Convoy starts taking enemy fire, Marines dismount and engage. The fight lasted about 15 mins, once we gain the upper hand they run which is typical. At the start of the fight I see a guy wearing bright red track pants sprint across an alley carrying RPG rounds. 10 mins after the shooting stops I see Mr bright red track pants walking down the street. He has no visible weapons on him therefore we can't smoke him even though we all know he's an insurgent.

So yeah, on the ground we went out of our way to avoid civilian deaths.

tedgp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3276 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:02:58 AM
Poor chelsea manning

kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 335 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:48:38 AM
andrew155, the crime isn't killing civilians, it's not even about the number of civilians who die, of course many will die in the event of war.
The crime is the justification for the war (or lack thereof). The bending, hiding and ignoring information to give cause to wage war is the crime.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2549 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:47:53 AM
Kind of expanding on what @Andrew155 was saying:

The guy with the biggest guns sets the rules as how war is to be "played". History will only remember the winner.

If you don't like the rules, get a bigger gun.
What a war crimes is can only be defined by the state who has won the war.

rickwhite
Male, 30-39, Canada
 151 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:47:03 AM
@ Andrew155

UHmmm... YES...?

They are ALL war criminals. Each and every one.

I love how casual we all are discussing war. "Bad intelligence." "Collateral damage."

We are talking about DEATH. Killing people. There are an estimated 100,000 Iraqi civilians dead because of Bush's "Bad intelligence." 100 thousand people!?!

Bush INVADED a country that was not a direct threat.
It's imperialism, not defence.

As far as I'm concerned, unless you are willing to die for the cause, or send your child off to die for it, you are against the war.

There are way to many goddam chickenhawks in this world.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1193 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:41:28 AM
His sentence was a bit harsh methinks.

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:33:05 AM
no one likes snitches

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2471 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:32:06 AM
The definition of war crime has been so twisted recently. It no longer has its original meaning, which was originally basically a Nazi or Japanese Imperial meaning. Now it just means if civilians happen to die in your military operations, even if the level of civilian deaths is so low that it's unprecedented in modern warfare.

Also in the traditional definition - the specific targeting of civilians in way that is not justified by military of civilian necessity. I just don't see that as being the official US policy in Iraq. There wasn't even any Strategic Bombing.


Nevermind the fact that "War crime" is kind of an oxymoron. Go try and wage a war without killing people.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2471 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:27:25 AM
Oh Chelsea Manning. Listen, there should be some penalties for releasing a million documents indiscriminately. He didn't even know what he was leaking, not even 1% of it. If there is no crime in that, then it's olly olly oxen free and anything can be released without any penalties.

But really, if Bush is guilty of war crimes for acting on bad intelligence, and waging a war incompetently, then pretty much every leader who has ever waged war is. Clinton and Obama certainly. Probably Reagan, and many more.

Bombing of Dresden? The amount of people who died in that bombing raid was more than all of the Iraq war casualties over the whole war. However, it was British and American Strat Bombing that won that war.

Abraham Lincoln would be a big war criminal.


Fehz
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 582 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:20:34 AM
I think this would be appropriate:

Dude looks like a lady

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3641 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 10:15:24 AM
Link: War Crimes [Pic] [Rate Link] - And this is how things are going.

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