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Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2178 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 3:02:20 PM
Money will always have its way.

It's why morally bankrupt but financially loaded people like Bush will get away with their schemes, and the little guy shining light on the darkness will get locked up in a hole somewhere and throw away the key.

Sad but true.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:16:01 PM
CrakrJak

"Was it worth it to get rid of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? I believe so, the world is better off without them."

I don't necessarily disagree with you.

But let me ask you this:

If 100,000 American civilians would have died to get rid of them would it still be worth it to you?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:52:14 PM
Bush committed no "war crimes". Both houses of congress overwhelmingly voted for the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. And since we all voted for those people to represent us, then if they are guilty, so are we.

"War is hell" - William Tecumseh Sherman

Was it worth it to get rid of Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden? I believe so, the world is better off without them.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:50:14 PM
McGovern1981

1. I love Team America
2. I hate Sean Penn
3. I NEVER said Iraq was a good place or Saddam was a good guy.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:47:14 PM
That would require us to still be there


It was bad policy nonetheless and has put Iran in a better strategic position since left us in a worse one.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:42:01 PM
Tell me when that was stated again and how they didn't have terrorist groups there??


THIS is grasping at straws, even the foreign insurgents came AFTER Saddam was toppled. The Bush admin was trying to paint picture of a close relationship between Saddam and Bin Laden even though such was demonstrably non-existent.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3887 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:36:34 PM
McGovern1981 you are still there...but just on the oil camps. Hmm weird place to defend the population from the evil tiranny.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:34:30 PM
It was that Iraq was tied to 9/11


Tell me when that was stated again and how they didn't have terrorist groups there??

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:33:29 PM
vv Holygod vv

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13291 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:31:17 PM
It's imperialism, not defence.


That would require us to still be there we aren't keep grasping a strwas though that's this entire post.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:15:36 PM
You also can't do it in a way that results in 100,000 civilian deaths


Well civilian casualties a largely an unavoidable consequence of war. But like you said the rationale itself was a load of 5h17.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:09:18 PM
whodat6484

I do not mean to be dismissive of what you did over there. I know you are very proud of your service.

I also don't mean to say that saddam was not a bad guy. But the world is full of bad guys, a lot worse than him.

If the motives were, saddam is a bad guy and we have to get rid of him, fine, I could get behind that. But it wasn't. It was that Iraq was tied to 9/11, they had WMDs, and they were a threat to America. We all know now that wasn't the case.

If the USA is going to police the world and take out bad guys, fine. But you can't say it in hindsight.

You also can't do it in a way that results in 100,000 civilian deaths, because then guess what? We're the bad guys.

Some people may stop to thank you, but I guarantee the mother who lost 3 of her children when the US bombed a building a terrorist was supposed to be in isn't going to thank you anytime soon.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:04:37 PM
Whodat6484

"See, I prefer to use what I saw with my own two eyes as opposed to what I read on Wikipedia."

Come ON man. You are telling me that your anecdotal evidence of your personal experience overrules direct quotes from a military general and studies from the pentagon? Check the sources.

I expect that s.hit from crakr or 5cats. I expect more from you.

tinyurl.com/lf6rg8b

"In 2005, the Washington-based Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) concluded that foreign fighters accounted for less than 10% of the estimated 30,000 insurgents and argued that the U.S. and Iraqi Governments were "feeding the myth" that they comprised the backbone of the insurgency."

Perhaps the area you were in had a higher concentration of the 10% of foreign fighters. Doesn't make my statement less true.

Plus who cares? If China invaded Canada wouldn't we go up to defend them?

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3655 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:04:26 PM
@HolyGod - Oh yeah, while you're at it, please tell me about the older men, women & children who came out of their homes to thank you for getting rid of a dictator who gassed and killed his own people that didn't agree with him. Many of them told us about family members who just disappeared in the middle of the night never to be heard from again.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3655 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:54:38 PM
@HolyGod - Please tell me about the dead bodies and/or captured insurgents you searched finding passports, driver licenses, student ID's, etc from countries like Yemen, UAE, Syria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

See, I prefer to use what I saw with my own two eyes as opposed to what I read on Wikipedia.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:39:35 PM
whodat6484

"Nice try, but I guess you don't know anything about the "insurgents" in Iraq. The majority weren't Iraqi citizens"

tinyurl.com/scfcd

"While it is not known how many of those fighting the U.S. forces in Iraq are from outside the country, it is generally agreed that foreign fighters make up a very small percentage of the insurgency. Major General Joseph Taluto, head of the 42nd Infantry Division, said that "99.9 per cent" of captured Insurgents are Iraqi.[44] The estimate has been confirmed by the Pentagon's own figures; in one analysis of over 1000 insurgents captured in Fallujah, only 15 were non-Iraqi"

WOW.

I guess YOU don't know anything about the "insurgents" in Iraq. Odd since you were there.

So I guess my analogy was pretty close and I don't have to try again.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3348 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:31:29 PM
I am getting tired of the "Bush was a war criminal" bu||poo. Congress voted to invade on both wars.




whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3655 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:29:02 PM
@HolyGod - Nice try, but I guess you don't know anything about the "insurgents" in Iraq. The majority weren't Iraqi citizens, they were Jihadis who had connections with Al Qaeda coming into Iraq to fight. Even the Iraqi army said "F*ck this & f*ck Saddam" and ditched their weapons and uniforms, the only reason they were in the army in the first place was because Saddam would have had their families killed if they didn't fight. That analogy wasn't even close, try again.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:07:33 PM
gladhatter

"Calling George Bush a war criminal is stupid"

If giving the order to invade a country that leads to a 100,000 civilian deaths is not a war crime what is?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:06:22 PM
RoboPatton

"But snowden's a "traitor" right? It's a crime as long as a (R) is in the white house."

Are you retarded? Have you not seen the LOADS of comments on here by liberals supporting snowden?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5000 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:05:14 PM
whodat6484

"therefore we can't smoke him even though we all know he's an insurgent."

If China invaded the USA, had soldiers and tanks rolling up the streets, was doing door to door house searches with automatic weapons, was dropping bombs on civilian targets, wouldn't you take up a gun against them? Isn't that what the second amendment is all about? Would that make you "an insurgent"?

LemonCurry
Male, 40-49, Asia
 1003 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:01:44 PM
i do think this is a very interesting topic: how do we judge these two individuals? according to whether they were acting within or against existing laws? by the 'damage', anticipated or unexpected, or their actions? by their 'achievements' for certain people and countries?

LemonCurry
Male, 40-49, Asia
 1003 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:52:06 AM
there's the law, and there is justice. not every law is just, and doing something just is often a crime. large numbers of nazi concentration camp guards walked free because they weren't breaking any laws of the third reich, and von Stauffenberg was hanged for trying to rid the world of a tyrant.

the concept of "war crimes" was novel because it stipulated that actions could be wrong despite being 'legal' according to local law ("crimes against humanity") nice idea, but unless there is someone to enforce it, nothing will happen.

gladhatter
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 217 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:36:11 AM
Manning is guilty of a CAPITAL crime. 35 years is a slap on his limp wrist. Calling George Bush a war criminal is stupid!

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 11:18:50 AM
But snowden's a "traitor" right? It's a crime as long as a (R) is in the white house.

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