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Actual Facts About Guns And Death In The USA [Pic]

Hits: 7101 | Rating: (2.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21884 Posts
Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:42:11 PM
@MrRugby: It's a "trick".
The later chart compares ACCIDENTAL GUN DEATHS not homicides or suicides. It's a very tiny number actually.

iirc: The number of times a gun is used to deter crime in the USA is about 800K > 1.2M per year.
That includes a lot of things, but is obviously a HUGE number of people "saved" by a gun!

Take their legal guns away and crime rates will skyrocket.

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 34 Posts
Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:24:41 AM
@nosecret - I'm not sure that the level of sword ownership would be that significant outside the military in most ancient civilisations (they would have been expensive). Furthermore, how many guns have been used within the US to stop the US being raped/pillaged by other nations in recent years?

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 34 Posts
Saturday, August 24, 2013 7:19:54 AM
Correct me if I'm being stupid, but the figures within seem contradictory?

1% from guns
1.5% non homocide
3% car accidents...

Whilst it says that 68 times more people die in car accidents than accidental gun death? It is only 3x more than gun homicide.

The term 'medical error' is ambiguous too, people generally don't have medical attention unless they are ill. Does it mean negligence or simply it being 'too late' to intervene?

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 5630 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 7:21:21 PM
Good on the USA if it's true that you have so many fewer violent gun crimes; somebody's doing something right. I think the instinctive fear many of us still have when everyone can pack a handgun, as in some states, is the potential for minor incidents like road rage, a drunk behaving badly, or a guy coming on to someone's girlfriend could often easily escalate into a deadly shooting. I don't know how you stop that.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 192 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 3:42:04 PM
@jakr
There has never been a genetic link established with obesity. As for soda being no more harmful in than tea or coffee, I call bullpoo. I will agree with sports drinks, as those are equally laden with sugars.
Your link does nothing to support your argument. All it does is equate high fructose corn syrup to sugar. All added sugars are bad for you whether made from corn, cane, or beets.
I'm not a biochemist, so excuse me for simplifying things but it works like this. Person consumes sugar. Person produces insulin. After repeated exposures to sugar, person develops insulin resistance. Person requires more sugars to offset insulin resistance. Person gains weight. Person dies. While 1 soda is unlikely to start a cycle of death, or even 1 soda a day, the risk is there.
When comparing a soda to a cigarette though you have to consider that Every study on the harmful effects of smoking have the lowest category of 5-10 cigarettes a day. The health risks of 10 sodas a day

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21884 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 1:25:16 PM
Erm. I ran a few numbers and it looks like the proportions do NOT change much.
Guns: 2007 = 68% 2011 = 67%
Knives: 2007 = 12% 2011 = 13%

The point remains though: there were a LOT more LEGALLY OWNED guns in the USA in 2011 vs 2007, correct? The "gun grabbers" tell us that should mean more gun deaths, correct? But it obviously does NOT! (that's one of the points in my chart).

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21884 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 1:17:55 PM
@neogester: Your Link shows gun murders dropping, even as total gun NUMBERS in the USA increase!

It's a nice link, btw! And it totally supports my chart too!

Non-Gun murder weapon rates are relatively consistent over the 6 years. Knives especially.

My chart (even though I didn't make it! You know what I mean eh?) compares RIFLES specifically, because THAT is what the "gun grabbers" are trying to BAN. The point is that there's more dangerous things than "assault rifles" (as they are wrongly called by the "grabbers") and all those proposed laws would do little or nothing!

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2288 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 10:47:38 AM
anti gun people just plug their ears and go LALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA OBAMA IS GREAT LALALALALALALA

neojester12
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 156 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 6:36:29 AM
These figures are great and all, but they actually aren't true =/

Read this (this is the Justice Department):
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf
/htus8008.pdf#page=27

After you skim through that, check out this. Total murders in 2012 is listed as 12,644; guns make up about 75%.
http://www.quandl.com/FBI-FBI/WEAPONS
11-US-Murders-by-Weapon-Type-2007-2011

I love infographics too, 5cats, but if you're not gonna back anything up with factual information, then what's the point?


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16141 Posts
Friday, August 23, 2013 3:15:40 AM
kree: "Obesity is not a natural, a can of soda is worse for you than a cigarette."

Obesity is at least partly genetic and soda is no more harmful, in moderate amounts, than coffee, tea or sports drinks.

I can give citations for these facts or you can look them up for yourself.

The "Food Police" have been making idiotic claims for years, they've went after movie theater popcorn, mexican food, chinese food, chocolate, coffee, eggs, and red meat.
To dispute the above, our forefathers, in America, ate more red meat, potatoes, fried foods, eggs, bacon and drank more coffee than water. They were skinner, worked harder and had less heart disease.

Btw, you might want to read this about corn syrup before you go on a rant about that.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21884 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:55:29 PM
@Lyannovitch: Taking guns away from honest citizens would NOT stop gun crimes. Until the criminals are also disarmed? It would make crime rates soar.

@skypirate: They have VERY tough restrictions! Of course the criminals don't obey those laws, eh?

@Thetas: Good point! Ban Oldsmobiles!!

@Geogypsy: No, Not Really

@drips & @uatme: Yup! That would cut USA's murder problems WAY down! It's true! Just like Al Capone & Prohibition!

Anyhow: It's a pretty good chart, thought I'd share it!

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 192 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 6:05:14 PM
@cake

Except that a overweight smoker will have coronary disease listed as caused by the smoking 100% of the time. politics skews the numbers. Especially when you consider that 20% of heart attacks are suffered by smokers. and 20% of people smoke. So statistically there isn't even an increased risk from smoking. And considering smokers are more likely to be overweight, if you remove the obesity side of things, statistically smokers are less likely to have heart attacks.

Numbers are funny that way.

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 192 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:59:10 PM
>excluding natural deaths

Obesity is not a natural, a can of soda is worse for you than a cigarette.

uatme
Male, 18-29, Canada
 987 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:05:25 PM
long story short, legalize pot?

NyQ
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 373 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:51:28 PM
So, nearly half of intentional killings are with guns. Great chart, dip$hits. You should have just included natural deaths for all the garbage that that chart represents.

Byfield
Male, 18-29, Europe
 461 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 4:39:44 PM
Seriously, 1%? Thats pretty bloody significant.

alpensepp
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 1255 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:46:39 PM
BS. Biggest killer MUST be fat food, by a gigantic margin.

oobaka
Male, 40-49, Canada
 380 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 2:22:42 PM
Personally I love guns. My cousin has a few and will be getting his restricted permit soon which means he'll be allowed to own hand guns. First time I ever pulled a trigger I was hitting clay targets as easy as if I'd been born with a gun.
That being said, I'd breath a sigh of relief if I knew all guns were confiscated and destroyed. ALL of them.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12719 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:49:51 PM
I don't like guns because people choose to kill people so they should be banned..... that about sums up the arguments here those death numbers you love to post BTW also include suicide, illegal gun shootings and self defense shootings BTW. Now go live in the saftey bubble big brother will protect you...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16141 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:40:03 PM
Gerry: Since smoking is the #1 cause of coronary artery disease (#2 is high cholesterol), I'm confident in that 48% figure.

oobaka
Male, 40-49, Canada
 380 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:26:07 PM
1% sounds so small. I guess that's why they use it. So small...until you use your brain and realize it 25 000 deaths per year. Sounds a lot bigger now, eh?
And to say that there are more deaths per year from other causes is just f*cking stupid. It does't make gun deaths all warm and fuzzy if you're more likely to die in a house fire.

wibble4321
Male, 30-39, Asia
 265 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 1:03:48 PM
nosecret - The notion isn't about unilateral disarmament it is about disarming citizens and restricting private gun ownership. Whilst highly contentious due to the constitution of the US it is totally incomparable to 'destroying all the swords in the kingdom'.

elkingo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2802 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:33:45 PM
I would like to see any "legit" evidence that tobacco killed anyone. Some jack@ss doctor say tobacco caused something without any sort of evidence to make that claim is nonsense.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4157 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:27:10 PM
68.74% of statistics are made up.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 12:24:30 PM

48% are tobacco deaths?
Inflated numbers are just as false as plain lies.

My dad quit smoking 25 years before he died. At age 85 he kicks the bucket having decided not to get by-pass heart surgery and the still put tobacco as the his cause of death.

If at any time in your life you ever had even one ciggie they will blame your death, 60 years later, on tobacco.

PC is political but not "correct".

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