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Science, Religion and The Big Bang

Hits: 5053 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 9:00:54 PM
Science changes as much as religion does. Point being, stop looking to others for answers that they can't provide and quit acting as though your personal belief is the right/only one.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Thursday, August 22, 2013 5:14:03 AM
@CrakrJak

"This whole "space expansion" theory is still just theory"

Theory = explanation.
Theory =/= guess.
Theory =/= unproven.
Theory =/= not yet a law (theories explain laws, not become them).
CrakrJak = not equipped to discuss scientific matters.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:13:31 PM
@Gerry1: Science! It's what's in your McChicken Nuggets!!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:13:06 AM

All of this "space, time, and everything in the universe" is of little importance when you stop and consider what chicken nuggets actually look like under high magnification.

Mind blown, dude.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:50:15 PM
Because if you define "space" as the gap between molecules...

Yes, BUT that's "Quantum Mechanics" and it plays by different (unknown) rules!

This is "space" on a Galactic level! We couldn't measue it within out Solar System (even if we knew how!) BUT we can see it's effects on "Galactic Clusters" and such really huge things.
AND there's no other explanation for those really far-apart objects we can see.

It's like "continental drift" eh? Standing in Nebraska? It's very hard to detect!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:47:00 PM
@broizfam: Aaaah... YES! I concur!

@CrakrJak: Yes, you are correct too! The observation that some objects are farther apart than the age of the universe (Theoretically) allows forced them to come up with a NEW theory to explain it!
My A - B - C list below.
It's not an illusion, their observations rule that out (afaik of course!). It's simply that there's objects MORE than 26.6 billion light years apart, and the age of the Universe is 13.3 (IIRC! The exact numbers don't matter). They cannot have both come from the BB without a new way to explain things.

>>It's also possible that TIME is not constant, and how could we know one way or another?
>>It's also possible that MATTER is continuously generated throughout the Universe at a constant rate. This would explain several things nicely!! But it's almost impossible to measure... even in theory.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16729 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:31:00 PM
This whole "space expansion" theory is still just theory and there is no real way of proving it true or false. Because if you define "space" as the gap between molecules, then everything including our selves and what we measure things with is expanding as well. Even if it were true, it's happening so slowly that it's imperceptible to us on our human scale.

Personally I believe it's the effect of telescope magnification. Space seems to be expanding because the telescopes we make are getting better and better. But it's an optical illusion, I believe, anyone that's used two different pair of binoculars has experienced this effect to some degree.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2971 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:27:42 PM
@5Cats and HolyGod,
Let's carry the balloon example a bit farther. Instead of dots on the balloon, consider 2 ants:
First 2 ants back to back on an inflated balloon. They start to walk away from each other. The distance between them increases due to their movement, not because of an expansion of space. Space doesn't necessarily need to expand to increase the distance between 2 objects. Next, consider 2 stationary ants on opposite sides of a partially inflated balloon. If the balloon is further inflated then the distance separating the 2 otherwise stationary ants increases as the space between them expands, as with the observations that space objects sometimes appear to be farther away than their relative velocities can account for.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:10:35 PM
But if two objects get farther apart from each other then the "space" between them is expanding.

Um, NO! Are you making a 'funny' @HolyGod?

Space doesn't change if you move, it's stays the same.
On a galactic level, however, it seems to be expanding. Space Itself! Not just the objects in space/time.

Picture a moving sidewalk: you're standing on it, but you're not 'moving', yet your friend (off the sidewalk) keeps getting further away!

The key is: 'moving' RELATIVE to the sidewalk (space/time) not the other object? You're standing still ON the sidewalk, the sidewalk is moving away.

Like two dots on a balloon that's being inflated: they 'move' farther apart, yes, but still occupy the exact same SPOT(s) on the balloon!

No pun intended.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:03:55 PM
Wait...5Cats, I thought you were a Bible thumper...

@patchouly: Nope! Not me! I'm a Deist, non-Biblical & believe the Big Bang was created by God Personally I see no conflict with these two beliefs. Nor evolution & creationism mixed.
Just fyi!

@ak47reaper: Nope! Space Itself (capital letters!) is expanding. We know this because the farthest objects we can see are TOO FAR APART to have traveled there from the Big Bang, even at the speed of light.
That means: A) they existed outside the BB
B) They traveled faster than the SoL
C) Space itself is expanding: driving them apart while they are 'relatively' under the SoL.

Yeah, #C makes my brain hurt too.

@Quackor: Yup! I got my PHD right... hummm, where did I put that thing?

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:54:05 PM
who knew there were so many astro physicists here!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:46:13 PM
ak47reaper

"space does not expand, matter does. Space has no relative size as it is infinite. what they observed was the rapid acceleration of matter away from a central point, not space as you can not see space it is not matter but it is whats between matter."

I don't want to interrupt you as you were doing your bestest to sound smart. But if two objects get farther apart from each other then the "space" between them is expanding.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:31:03 PM
space does not expand, matter does. Space has no relative size as it is infinite. what they observed was the rapid acceleration of matter away from a central point, not space as you can not see space it is not matter but it is whats between matter. if space were expanding it would be impossible to detect with current tech.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:12:00 PM
I had K-Pax on in the background on HBO.

Kevin spacey says that the universe will collapse on itself and then expand once again and do this infinitely and each times it does things will be like they are now. Interesting.

Also, The Dude's kid is pinkman from breaking bad. Also interesting.

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1461 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:43:19 PM
[troll] I bet all the heat was from universal warming caused by man made co2 [/troll]

Aww no unstable tenth dimension string theory stuff? /sad face. Ever since I was a little girl (8ish) I always believed it was a giant black hole. Like an interdenominational zit exploding into un/under/populated space.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 9611 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:49:03 PM
Just waiting for the god botherers to come knocking on this post....


patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4467 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:45:02 PM
Wait...5Cats, you know this video says that the Universe had no beginning, right? I thought you were a Bible thumper...

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5156 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:43:59 PM
Horribler? is that even a word?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:42:54 PM
@Gerry1: LOLZ! yeah, the detective is looking for some 'pussy'....
"The birthplace of the Universe!" = LOLZ!

@1234 & @HolyGod: Monstergirls and Kemonomimi (animal girls) are considered separate from "catgirls", and yes I'm addicted to all of them!

"Underage looking girls" are often called "loli" but recently the term "fake-loli" has arisen for women who LOOK young (usually because they're short!) but are actually 'legal age'.

I enjoyed the science in this video, even if they sort of "gloss over" a thing or two...


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:07:57 PM
1234

"didn't mention anime fetish cartoons either."

Well those are usually underage looking girls / cats. So I thought the "no cats" covered it.

1234
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 267 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:02:53 PM
HolyGod didn't mention anime fetish cartoons either.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4818 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:51:03 PM
Cool post. Didn't mention Obama or cats once.

Pooptart19
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 2265 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:31:58 PM
Existence is a funny thing.

Why is there something rather than nothing?

I dunno. I'm just happy to be here!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:11:56 PM

So... space is a tampon?



5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24151 Posts
Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:56:44 PM
Link: Science, Religion and The Big Bang [Rate Link] - A 'Minute Physics' video which will infinitely expand your brainz!


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