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US Congressman Confronted On NSA Spying

Hits: 4273 | Rating: (3.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 8:33:48 PM

In fairness Congress is out of the loop. Corporations only tell a few that have to know what they want and pay them to get it done.

A Congressman has as much knowledge/authority as a school crossing guard.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 4:13:58 PM
Well done that man, we need more of this and people like Snowden to try and wake people up a bit, change needs to happen or the pattern just goes on and on forever.

caper454
Female, 70 & Over, Africa
 448 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 10:42:30 AM
The reason congressmen don't know what to do about the NSA is that the NSA has also been spying on congressmen. The NSA no doubt has a fair amount of pretty incriminating dirt on them, and congress KNOWS that. They haven't been able to figure out how to reign in the NSA while also keeping their own dirt laundry private.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 8:46:05 AM

@ Crakr - Snowden gave secret documents to China showing how the US has hacked their computers. China hacks ours, we hack theirs. It is not for that traitor to give up international espionage secrets to foreign countries.

Snowden "gave up" nothing voluntarily. He found out they were on to him so he ran like the coward he is. If he's a Whistle blower, he should stand like a man and face it. Throw the charges in the evil-doers face! No, he is a coward and a traitor.

Snowden has announced he will leak more information to other countries. What all is on those 3 computers he loaded and took with him?

Yes, our guv'ment was doing wrong. That does not give Snowden open license to reveal every secret he got his cowardly hands on.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16958 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 7:31:31 AM
Gerry: There is no evidence that Snowden has sold any information, he's given up a lot more, informing us of the NSA's spying, than he could gain.

He's lost a GF, a house, a six figure a year career. The US government has put a bounty on his head and is trying to spin the media into calling him a traitor. How the hell is he benefiting from that?

The problem for the government is, the media loves to reveal secrets more than they love schilling for this administration. Plus, nobody, even the liberal media, likes being spied upon.

He ran, because the government would've made him disappear, lie and sweep it all under the rug. The CIA is expert in making murders look like suicides, they've done it many times before.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 6:12:39 AM

"Snowden is neither a hero or traitor, he's a whistleblower. "

A whistleblower exposes a wrong. Snowden gave away thousands of classified documents on a huge variety of subjects. Then he fled with 3 or 4 computers in his possession, all of them full of even more classified material. Why do you think the Russians let him stay? Why do you think the USA wanted him as badly as they did? Don't know what was on those computers, but he wasn't just exposing our government do a bad thing. He was selling out everything he could get his hands on and to hell with the consequences or lives lost.

He stole & gave away secrets and then he ran.
A cowardly traitor.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2579 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 2:56:37 AM
"Irrelevant. They had wire-tapping back then and it was illegal for the guv'ment to use it on us. They had torture back then but it was illegal for the guv'ment to use it on anyone. They could read mail back then but it was illegal for the guv'ment to do so.

Technology doesn't make tyrannies...apathetic people do."


That's how I feel about it I think. The government are like toddlers, if you don't occasionally let them know you're unhappy with them when they act up and test the boundaries you've set for them, then they keep on stretching them and stretching them to the point where your rules have been broken and it's partly your own fault for not keep telling them to stop when you saw them trying.

DinVen
Male, 30-39, Europe
 366 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 1:31:13 AM
Gerry you can't be serious when comparing wiretapping with what can be done using the current technological possibilities - infrastructure and social habits have changed completely. It's two different paradigms.

Surely apathetic people are at the center when societies allow the continuation of dysfunction in our democracies. For example in condemning citizens who sacrifice everything to expose critical flaws herein.

Here is the ideal democratic situation: The people knows almost everything about their government and the government knows almost nothing about the private lives of the citizens. Right now we have vastly decreased transparency in government and surveillance of the citizens on a scale, never before seen. It's upside down in 2013, and it makes we wonder when people support this movement away from democracy.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16958 Posts
Friday, August 16, 2013 1:14:22 AM
Snowden is neither a hero or traitor, he's a whistleblower. Many of us long suspected we were being covertly and illegally spied upon by the government, he just supplied the evidence to confirm it.

The politicians can lie and backpedal all they want, we now know the truth and we should vote accordingly.

If the line isn't drawn here and now, we'll never be able to live free again. We'll end up just like Orwell's 1984 or Lucas' THX 1138.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:12:37 PM

" they didn't have the tech that they have now."

Irrelevant. They had wire-tapping back then and it was illegal for the guv'ment to use it on us. They had torture back then but it was illegal for the guv'ment to use it on anyone. They could read mail back then but it was illegal for the guv'ment to do so.

Technology doesn't make tyrannies...apathetic people do.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:10:34 PM

Snowden is a traitor.
If he only exposed one wrongdoing I'd agree with you, but he gave out thousands of classified documents. Even he doesn't know how much damage he caused, how many lives he endangered. And then he ran like a coward. He should be shot.

OS666
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 6 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:09:33 PM
@Gerry1of1, they didn't have the tech that thay have now. You think Nixon woulldn't use drones if he had them? First test target would have been Checkers. Also explain what law our current prez broke. If you mean the NSa spying on us thats W's thing, if Barry stopped it the you teabaggers would claim he was leaving it open for the terrorists. If he shut it down then you guys would claim he's leaving the door open for the terroists. Yes, OUR government is making bad decisions, on both sides. I realy hope we can all just figure this thing out in a peaceful way.

JoexBro
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 381 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:07:22 PM
Snowden, a true American patriot

flying_ltj
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 340 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:02:13 PM
People have been boo-hoo crying since I was a little child (over 25 years ago) that they're coming to take away our guns.

Last I checked, everyone still has them despite the cries that everyone is trying to take them away.

Two decades on and the fear mongering about "they're coming to take our guns" still rolling strong.

MelCervini
Female, 40-49, Eastern US
 1173 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:17:48 PM
turdburgler... why do you think the government is trying to hard to disarm us?

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:59:20 PM
option 3- enlighten people, so they vote smarter.

But, after the last few years, I'm pretty sure this is impossible.

Then again, more guys like this one in the vid, please!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 9:33:23 PM

You have two choices.

Option 1 - Give up. The USA is over and the USSA is in charge. If you don't believe that you are deluding yourself. The guv'ment has made it clear they don't care what you think or want. Their laws and policies have been in conflict with popular opinion for 20 years. From immigration to pot to taxation of corporations to campaign reform. They don't care what you want, just do as you are told. You can't change it peacefully, so give up.

Option 2 - revolt. That option gets messy.

Yeah, I sound like a lunatic to anyone who doesn't remember what it was like when Congress represented people, not the corporations that purchased them. I'm from an era when the guv'ment was not allowed to listen to on your phone conversations or read your mail. They could not make you a "detainee" without being charged for a crime. When I grew up, if a President broke the law he was forced out of office in shame. Now it's business as usual.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:51:49 PM
I agree, flying_ltj, that congressman WAS repeating buzzwords.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12166 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:43:54 PM
He has a valid point but he does not realise that the USA (and it's stealth-empire) would be ungovernable under the vision of democracy and liberty set out by the founding fathers. It does not have to be quite as bad as it is now, but then there would be less benefit disparity between the rich and poor, and the rich can't allow that. No, the American dream is substantially dead.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3603 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:32:10 PM

They are all full of lies and generic responses. There isn't much point in asking them questions. They just lie and redirect.

When it comes to American politics, I'm starting to feel like huge changes need to be made.

Revolutionary changes.

Just saying that makes me feel like one of the tinfoil hatted, but for the younger generations, I wouldn't be surprised if it goes that far.

flying_ltj
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 340 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 8:00:06 PM
Isnt it cute... could it be more blatantly obvious he is just repeating buzz words he heard on the internet?

Also, why am I suddenly reminded of manor in which Patten Oswalt delivered his Star Wars filibuster speech?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13936 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:14:58 PM
Sorry, but I didn't see any indication that the congressman hated this.

Sweepofdeath
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 259 Posts
Thursday, August 15, 2013 5:35:53 PM
Link: US Congressman Confronted On NSA Spying [Rate Link] - This is exactly why politicians hate townhall meetings.


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