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UK Government Says 'Go Home Immigrant' [Pic+]

Hits: 5935 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: ferdyfred
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Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12320 Posts
Monday, August 12, 2013 1:04:29 AM
I support the EDL and UKIP.

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:49:08 PM
The EDL and the UKIP are a reaction to a disenfranchisement of the votership, the EDL, the white working class vote in industrial towns, the UKIP mainly Middle England Tory voters. Both fall quite right of centre and have a common theme of Euro scepticism and immigration. I accept there are significant differences between the two movements, but the advertisement in the original post will appeal to followers of both - it's a cheap Tory vote winner. The Tory backbenchers are crapping themselves in reaction to UKIP's rise.

You misinterpret my comments, I don't say that invasion and immigration are necessarily synonomous, and apologies if this was a poor choice of words. However, the thrust of my argument is that this island has, since the year dot, had a history of mixing races and people taking home here from around the world. I dispute the notion that there has ever been a a static Britain with the 'good old days', they never actually existed. We need to be tolerant not less.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1258 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:00:14 PM
MrRugby

You are clearly unaware of history, of the current state of immigration into the UK or of the aims of EDL and UKIP or of the differences between the two.

Until you know at least a little about the topic you comment on, might I suggest you will look less of an idiot if you refrain from posting?

Invasion and immigration are not synonymous. Frankly though you are making a point the EDL would not dare if you are likening the immigration from the Islamic world to an invasion by Saxons and Norse.

However the idiocy of your comments is so broad as to be difficult to address in 900-some characters allowed here.

A little start though: UKIP is about the EU. Immigration is a minor part of that, but many Euro sceptics are, like me, married to immigrants. EDL is against Islamic fascism and violence. It is not about immigration per se, just the behaviour of immigrants when they are here (i.e. that they should be civilised).

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 10:45:13 AM
I understand the term 'marxist propaganda' perfectly thank you. But fail to see how it is in any way relevant to this topic?

Britain HAS always been a nation of immigrants. Everything from the earliest 'Celtic' settlers (in various waves), through to the Saxon invasions, Norman invasion, Viking invasions, etc. Please elucidate where my 'intellectual superiors' have duped me on this one?

I don't deny that there has been greater levels of immigration in the past few decades than in recent history, but in part this was to overcome a labour shortage after WW2 and kept Britain's economy going. The level of hatred drummed up for political gain by the likes of the EDL and UKIP and papers such as the Daily Mail is frankly disgraceful. THAT is what the original post is all about.

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 652 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 9:58:54 AM
mrRugby, you seem unable to form an counter-argument to my previous post. You seem to be willfully ignoring the facts put to you and feign a lack of understanding with regard to my use of 'marxist propaganda' (these two words can be found in all dictionaries if you genuinely have difficulty understanding). for someone that doesn't know what it is you sure display signs of its influence.

You continue to repeat your assertion about Britain always being a nation of immigrants. Where did you learn this? was it through your own research or is it something that is always said by people you consider to be intellectually superior.

how does it relate to mass immigration? is it a reasonable justification? 5% of the current population arrived in the last 10 years. Do you believe this has always been the case?

You remind me of the sheep in 'animal farm' mindlessly repeating the slogans thought up by the pigs and conditioned to chant them to disrupt and drown out a

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 1:18:33 AM
Turdburglar, it's not a case of whether you 'need' permission to have an opinion. More whether you understand the facts behind the original post - if you do, fine, make an INFORMED opinion. By all means, make an 'uninformed' opinion too, but the superficiality of the original post in dealing with immigration is more complex than it appears.

I reiterate, regarding the original post - the advertisment is designed by the Tories to appease the white 'native' population, who are disenfranchised and increasingly voting UKIP - as I said, why the heck didn't they put it in 'foreign' languages if they wanted to appeal to this alleged swathe of non-English speaking immigrants? A good analogy is the Republicans running scared of the Tea Party.

The Tories want right wing working class and 'Middle England' votes now attracted by extreme political parties/movement such as BNP/EDL and UKIP respectively. This is a vote winner, NOT an anti-immigration policy.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3667 Posts
Sunday, August 11, 2013 12:18:50 AM

nickel2 - Are you serious? You and the rest of the eruotwats don't hesitate in passing judgement on everything US related posted here on IAB.

With all the anti-American hate that your garbage continent says regarding America, you limey turd tasters have no damn right to say that we can't comment regarding your fuc#ery. As if we need your permission.
Everyone wants to see a champion fail, which is how I know America is great. No one really cares what happens to brittan...while brittan is obsessed with everything that happens in America. So go ahead and pretend that we need permission to comment on what you do. Keep watching every news story and political development that happens in America. No one cares about your racist immigrant issues. Hell, no one even knows the name of your leader.
I agree with the idea that illegal immigrants should be kicked out...but if the same story showed America doing the same thing, the euros would be calling us racist rednecks.

inversegrav
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 769 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 5:53:11 PM
Same old bullhoc. There is not anything anti-immigrant about it. There is something OBEY THE fudgeN LAWS about it, but nothing anti-immigrant. I will never understand how it became racist to say: "I think people should obey the immigration laws of the country they want to immigrate to."

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11186 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:22:49 PM
@MrRugby
Yea we have always been a Isle for immigrants
but since the EU and the Human rights act
poor old blighty has had more than its fair share of shi t ]
We have to employ feck knows how many translators, so many kids in schools have so many different languages, the teachers cant cope, the police cant handle the influx, the border agencies have lost the plot,and they are given priority over housing leaving the born here sorts with nothing - aint no wonder sh it is boiling

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11186 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:12:16 PM
There has been mass flooding of immigrants since the last labour party,
can remember as a kid in the 70's someone asking for asylum hitting the BBC 6 o'clock news
Bout time we pulled out of the EU
nuff done, and be back to being BRITAIN


MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:35:03 PM
Bullpoo Som Tam. You don't know what you are talking about. 'Marxist Propaganda', Jesus wept, what is that supposed to mean?! Absolute crap.

Britain is a country of immigrants, always has been.

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 652 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:29:57 PM
the notion of the Uk being a nation of immigrants is nothing but marxist propaganda. look into the facts and figures please. It is true that there has been many groups that have forcefully, fought their way into Britain and there has been a small trickle of immigrants, as with all countries, the majority from countries with very similar genetic, cultural ang linguistic backgrounds to Britain. The immigration that we have seen from the middle of the last century has been from cultures that clash with that of the host nation and as it continued there has been more pressure on the indigenous population to adapt to the culture of the immigrants. Anyone who uses the word 'racism' when there is absolutely no evidence of discrimination based on skin colour is a victim of marxist propaganda, and very likely, a mental weakling.

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:00:08 PM
Backcagain, a lot of what you write is complete nonsense.

The standard of health care in the UK is outstanding, the right wing press have an agenda against a National Health Service. Plus what has this to do with immigration? You admit yourself that immigrants pay more than they take!

What has the care home system got to do with immigration? Mainly it's privately run. It's more a case of poor regulation, combined with an ageing population and poor training.

Please name this 'social harmony' you speak of. There has been social disharmony, class 'warfare' and bigotry in Britain since the year dot. This idyllic picture you paint has never existed.

Our wealth has come from screwing other countries over, we invaded umpteen countries for hundreds of years, but somehow we don't like 'them' in our country.

People have never cared about the 'nation', even within England, you have regional allegiances, take the Northern Ireland fighting last night for

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:33:48 AM
cont. Wanting to pay into benefits system, and home grown terrorism issues. The standard of care in our hospitals is shocking. My sister works in a care home and you hear the stories it's ridiculous.Why there is not a social harmony as in times gone by. They're seen as an inconvience rather than old people who should be respected. That's an outcome of multiculturalism. People care lass about the nation. Which fine you don't want that or nationalism, you then have issues with the welfare state as people will refuse or not want to pay for it.

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:31:12 AM
cont And it's not the migrants fault not in the slightest. How many long term unemployed don't want to work. How many show's have we had which show people accepting a life on benefits because it's not their fault. We've had companies say they tried hiring local and turned up late worked half as much etc I don't blame anyone we need a cultural shift.

And it doesn't help how whenever someone comments on this they're attacked as bigoted xenophobic or racist. I remember BBC interview interviewing a guy who just got a job. The shock on her face when the man said "yeah to be honest it is my fault I could and should have done more myself to get a job, I see that now"

A massive influc can overload services. We have other issues like housing shortages which create higher prices. We already have more social housing then Germany and France yet we still have issues. The fastest growing population in Europe. We've destroyed national identity which creates other issues. I

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:26:28 AM
@madduck I don't blame migrants wanting to come to this country and I don't deny they contribute more then they take out. But having too big a influx of migrants affects services. Take my council Haringey and the amount of languages things get translated into. Then you also have certian migrant groups like Somalians who have lot's of children as is cultural and collect benifits once again as it's cultural status not to have to work. HMRC data shows they are the biggest drain due to their proportion in the UK.

But the point I make is how many unemployed we have in this country? How many long term unemployed? Every unskilled migrant worker we have stops the unskilled native worker. So what they're paying taxes? The unskilled native worker get's benefits and becomes a drain on society. The state has no obligation to pay for the migrant it has an obligation to pay for the native. That is my issue with unskilled migration

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2603 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:14:04 AM
"t's funny, in your world, the UK would, ideally, immediately fill up with about 40 million Syrians, Saudis, and Bangladeshis and it somehow wouldn't affect living standards, or, the existence of the British."

Did your society collapse when all the Irish, polish, and Italian immigrants moved there in very large numbers? Most of them still call themselves Irish or Italian even though they've never been there never mind born there.

Personally I welcome a hearty dose of immigration - however, if someone has applied and been turned down for immigrant status or asylum then it's right that the government should be able to single them out for adverts. I think in this case though the language used is a little too close to the message the national front and other far right groups have been using for decades...it reminds me of their chants of 'if they're black, send them back'.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 9:26:59 AM
Andrew155- you are talking absolute rot, and I suspect you know it. The UK is based on migrants, fellow human beings who come here for a variety of reasons. Most are of benefit to us- for example- the Eastern Europeans the fail so loves to hate contribute 30% more in tax than they take in benefits, source- the Tax Office. Of course some are nasty- but then we have Ian Duncan Smith, and he is a home grown mean person. No- we don't want the dregs- but we will get some, just as every country does- but we also get those who want to come here to live, work and contribute in peace and safety. Half my family would not be here if not for their parents, or grandparent or themselves immigrating- and I am damn glad I have them.

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:41:37 AM
Absolute nonsense Ravengreen, this notion of 'British' nationality has never been fixed. Romans, Saxons, Normans, Vikings, Irish, Polish etc etc. We have a history of migration, it's how our country is founded. Without immigration the country would be on its knees - probably the same for any multicultural country.

Try putting yourself in the shoes of some of the asylum seekers and ask yourself why they are moving?

Plus, do yourself a favour and stop reading the Daily Mail.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:22:40 AM
Madduck, do you know what racism actually is? It's funny, in your world, the UK would, ideally, immediately fill up with about 40 million Syrians, Saudis, and Bangladeshis and it somehow wouldn't affect living standards, or, the existence of the British.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:05:30 AM
This is disgusting on more levels than I can say- quite the stupid waste of money. So sickening to see how racist bigotry can still try for votes.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4616 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:21:39 AM
I suggest that all non-UK residents, who have something to say about the subject on this forum, take a 4 week holiday in the UK and spend it in real life towns and villages away from the tourist stuff.
Then and only then will they be qualified to pass opinion.

MrRugby
Male, 30-39, Europe
 38 Posts
Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:28:11 AM
This isn't about reaching immigrants, it is an attempt by the Tories to appear more hard-line on immigrationn and reduce losing British voters to their potential rival - UKIP.

If they wanted to reach immigrants, why are they doing it in English - not other 'foreign' languages?

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 652 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 11:26:11 PM
Unfortunately, this advert is not for illegal immigrants. Its purpose is to persuade the loyal tory voters that the part they support is still 'conservative'. The tories that hold all the cabinet positions are all as marxist as labour or the lib-dems.
However, if we ignore this and pretend that this drive will have the desired affect: how is it racist? In fact, i reject the concept of 'racism', it is a construct that has so far removed from its original meaning (discriminate on the bases of skin colour) it has become a tool to silence any discussion that questions the wisdom or morality of multiculturism (cultural marxism). Furthermore, in my opinion, the EU have no mandate to make legislation that over-rides the UK's right to manage its own affairs.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17147 Posts
Friday, August 09, 2013 8:54:46 PM
I'm getting tired of this, "Oh those poor poor undocumented immigrants" attitude. "undocumented immigrants" my ass! Let's go back to calling them what they are ILLEGAL FOREIGNERS/ALIENS.

They are not innocents, many of them run drugs/guns/money back and forth across the border. Even when they work other jobs, they don't pay any taxes, burden our healthcare, welfare and school systems, then send their earnings back south.

Not only that but they undercut and erode our existing labor rates and safety regulations.

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