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Lake At The North Pole? Not Really. 300 Miles Away

Hits: 6205 | Rating: (2.1) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 8221 Posts
Monday, August 05, 2013 2:26:16 AM
'just to die gracefully'
Humans that is, we all think we are clever sorts,
but nope in the big scale of stuff, we are all 2 bit no marks, forget your fancy assed graphs and scientific solutions, there is too many of us
time for a culling and as the middle East is going it kinda due

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 8221 Posts
Monday, August 05, 2013 2:18:11 AM
Whatever - Earth will be Earth,
sooner the Human parasites leave the better
we worry about this n that, but we made the crap
best off for the animals n flora etc..
just to die gracefully

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Monday, August 05, 2013 2:11:29 AM
@OldOllie: TSK! One month doesn't mean ANYTHING! Unless it supports AGW... then it's an iron-clad fact!

Nifty graph @CrakrJak! But it's so outdated! I mean, July is like a MONTH AGO!

@Gauddith & @Madduck: The cost of "false AGW" is:
- trillions wasted on nothing
- electric bills tripled
- millions lose their jobs
- hundreds of millions starve to death

The 4th one is just a matter of time. As food prices skyrocket? WHO will pay for the poorest of the poor? Not North America OR Europe! We'll all be out of work and BROKE. More so than we already are!

THAT is why AGW Scaremongering is a bad thing.
The rich get richer, the poor starve.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 4378 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:43:06 PM
I'm with Gaudith on this. As it happens I reckon the climate scientists know what they are saying- but if they are wrong we lose nothing. Why take such a gamble when the stakes are so bloody high?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 11:03:28 PM
Let's see what NASA satellites have observed on the subject.



.17 C is a rather tame global temperature for July of any year. But as you can clearly see the 1998 temporary spike has had no ill long term effects.

Gauddith
Female, 18-29, Western US
 219 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:51:26 PM
I have an idea, who actually CARES about debunking this "liberal hoo haw" and how about we JUST take care of our planet.

Instead of fighting for your right to use a fairly useless goop why don't you just forget about it and understand that there ARE alternatives and they are better. Why do people care so much about this, when they could just do some good with it.

For people who are so concerned about being distracted, they seem to get pretty riled up about these distractions.

No, nope, I can't even find the will to care about either side when there is just so much damned stupid festering. It's fine, I get it, the liberals are evil, and the conservatives are uneducated. Both sides want to kill you and eat your flesh. MERGERD, MELTING ICE! LETS ARGUE OVER IT.

All I'm saying here is you don't have to think the world is going to end to want to take care of it. Just do that way because it's the right way to do.

Take bloody care of it.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11729 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:22:10 PM
North Pole Sees Unprecedented July Cold - Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record - "Normally the high Arctic has about 90 days above freezing. This year there was less than half that"

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:13:00 PM
About Greenland's Ice:
YES: There's lots of ice there. It's quite thick too!
Yes: If it ALL melted it would raise ocean levels.
Why? Because the Artic Ice is already floating in the water! If it ALL melts? Levels stay essentially the same.

If you're trying to argue that the North Hemisphere of the Earth and the South Hemisphere are UNCONNECTED?

How is it "Global" warming then?

The ice pack in the South has indeed gotten bigger AND thicker. It's a fact. Deal with it.
Over and out.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:06:17 PM
Flattening The Mann Hockey Stick (2010)

Apparently the Mann-Stick starts at 1850 for it's data and "extrapolates" back to 1000AD.

So please link ALL the satellite data from 1830 > 1850 to disprove what I've said.

Thx.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:01:16 PM
You obviously haven't looked at satellite records over the past 20 years.

The satellite records from 1816 > 1836 you mean?
Have you been drinking?

You claimed that the south pole was somehow getting thicker.

Quote me, include the "time stamp" eh?
I never, NOT ONCE claimed that. I did link a site which MAY have made that claim, but how does that make me "wrong"? If it shows something I never claimed in the first place?

You are aware that "skepticalscience" is not a "science" site? It is neither neutral NOR accurate.



5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:51:55 PM
"That's proof of the greenhouse effect."

Immanuel Velikovsky HE is the one who predicted Venus was hotter than current theories... and was VILIFIED by the "vast majority" of scientists... but he was 100% right!

So if the "vast majority" of AGW scientists say it's true, they must be right! Just like then, eh?
Oops, no, wait a second...

"Most of the ice in the northern hemisphere is not in the arctic ocean. It's Greenland."
This is 100% FALSE!
NOT EVEN CLOSE!
Greenland Ice Sheet: 1.7 million miles ^2
North Pole Ice Pack: 6.0 Million Miles ^2

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:47:39 PM
As far as the old saw of '15 years of global cooling'...




Notice that ocean changes can account for more than land changes. 1998 had an abnormally strong El Nino, so it bucked the trend. It was an anomalous year.

With the anomalies removed (ENSO removed), we get this:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/FR11_All.gif

Which shows that the earth is still warming.

An average of all five data sets (GISS, NCDC, HadCRU, UAH, and RSS) with the effects of ENSO, solar irradiance, and volcanic emissions removed:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/FR11_Figure8.jpg


mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:43:20 PM
5cats:
Here is 2007 peer reviewed paper which shows that the hockey stick graph is indeed accurate:
http://www.cgd.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/refs/Wahl_ClimChange2007.pdf

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:42:20 PM
"Also: The hockey stick is FAKE. You are aware of that? Even their own numbers look nothing like it... "

Yet you used a graph with a 'hockey stick' in it. It's not fake. It's been corroborated by a lot of data and has been shown to be very accurate and correct.

The recent increase in global temps is now much more rapid than it has ever been in at least the past 1000 years.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:41:29 PM
"It's a fact: Since the "Little Ice Age"? The Earth has been getting warmer... "

The recent increase is far more rapid than anything natural in the graph. That is a big clue.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:40:54 PM
"The Antarctic ALSO has sea ice. Land ice AND sea ice. Both. You've failed in your first sentence... "

You claimed that the south pole was somehow getting thicker. You pointed to antarctic sea ice.

It is you who failed.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:39:59 PM
"IF you got 20 years further back? LITERALLY all the AGW "warming" vanishes. Why? Because they started at the beginning of a Cold Period! It deliberately SKEWS their numbers! "

No.

You obviously haven't looked at satellite records over the past 20 years. I'm tired of doing your homework for you.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:34:46 PM
They went back 100 to 150 years for most global temp graphs - or further.

Not true. They went to a specific date (1836? I forget exactly) for Al Gore's movie AND the AGW Theory.
IF you got 20 years further back? LITERALLY all the AGW "warming" vanishes. Why? Because they started at the beginning of a Cold Period! It deliberately SKEWS their numbers!

Also: The hockey stick is FAKE. You are aware of that? Even their own numbers look nothing like it...

and to discredit each of them.

Um? Try NONE of them! You count Antarctic Sea Ice "disproven"? Boy-o-boy! Have I got news for you...

How about YOUR claim of using "only" satellite data for AGW? LOLZ!

It's a fact: Since the "Little Ice Age"? The Earth has been getting warmer...



DUH!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21906 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 9:24:11 PM
Do you know the difference between sea ice and the antarctic ice cap? Apparently, you don't.

@mesovortex: The Antarctic ALSO has sea ice. Land ice AND sea ice. Both. You've failed in your first sentence...



I'm sure it's a lot older than 12 years

Funny, YOUR graph is 10 years old too, ending in 2002 and NOT showing the stable temps of the past 15 years. @richanddead says his graph was upheld by recent data, you can dispute this?

You are getting major fundamentals wrong.

ME? That other IAB post shows Melt Water. I call it that. I am correct.
Greenland's ice melted rapidly in the early 70's too, then returned to normal. Nothing new.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:56:34 PM
5cats:
"I bet I've done more than you... real research: Not "read things I agree with" eh?"

It took anywhere between 2 to 5 minutes each to research all of your claims on google and to discredit each of them. It doesn't seem like you're doing your homework. It seems to me you're just accepting whatever it is you want to hear.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:55:06 PM
5cats:
"FUNNY! Oh wait, you are aware that's EXACTLY what the AGW Alarmists did? Picked a date which made their data look best. If they took data starting 20 years earlier? Their numbers fail to show overall warming... just a little FYI... "

They went back 100 to 150 years for most global temp graphs - or further. At that point, any anomalies will wash out as the average becomes stronger.

One anomalous year in 15 can easily buck a trend.
One in 100 will not.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:53:40 PM
richard:
"12 years old yes, inaccurate no, it is still the accepted stance of the scientific community in general and was cited and confirmed in 9 out of 9 of the most recent studies in 2013 alone. "

No. It wasn't. You can't lie when reverse google image search is so easy to do. It's only used on denialist websites. It isn't used at all in any peer reviewed literature. Ever.


mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:52:16 PM
"Guess you haven't heard about the lasting effects of the Mount Pinatubo eruption or the constant volcanic eruptions in Iceland and the Congo."

It doesn't compare to our CO2 output:
http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html

CO2 from volcanoes is less than 1% of human activity. The drop in global temps from Pinatubo was not from the gasses, but from particulate matter which decreased the amount of solar radiation that was making it to the surface. If a small thing like that can change global temps, then outputting 100x or more the CO2 level of Pinatubo will make a huge impact.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:49:32 PM
"Really, so Methane, Sulfuryl Fluoride, Sulfur Hexafluoride, Hexafluoroethane, Nitrous Oxide, and hydrogen sulfide isn't increasing? Many of which are produced by green tech. like in constructing lithium batteries and building the Prius, and are 1000's of times worse, literally. "

Not to the level of CO2. Besides, those aren't greenhouse gases.

More greenhouse gases = a warmer climate.

Look at Venus. It's hotter than Mercury, is at a nearly stable temperature at night and during the day, and consists of a very thick atmosphere of mostly CO2.

That's proof of the greenhouse effect.

mesovortex
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 405 Posts
Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:47:21 PM
5cats:
Here's the link where the paleoclimate chart was debunked:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?a=66#11178

Look at where the land was in the Ordovician. Also, look at the development of gymnosperms and angiosperms in the carboniferous and cretaceous, respectively.

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