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If You Can't Afford To Tip [Pic]

Hits: 10110 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Ilikelogic
Male, 40-49, Europe
 517 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:10:13 PM
Stupid system is stupid.
Just give those poor people a decent wage.
And if they gave you a good service, add a small tip.

Whitemn
Male, 18-29, Western US
 132 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:09:25 PM
Servers I know don't get paid 2-3$/h, but rather minimum wage or close too it. Busy days net around 100$ a day+minimum wage. In the end it's a lot of money. More then the avg. factory worker.

wibble4321
Male, 30-39, Asia
 295 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 2:04:16 PM
It is ridiculous. It is a hidden cost and makes life a pain in the backside. I'm a fairly frequent traveller to the US and just the hassle of having to have currency available to tip for every ridiculous service is a pain. Trying to stock a decent stash of $1 and $5 bills for the various tips before you actually get anywhere to spend money is not always easy. That is before you get the variations of how much to tip for what service depending on where you are.

Tipping also becomes an arms race in some circumstances. You certainly get served faster in a busy bar if you tip more generously than the guy next to you. That has nothing to do with service, you are just bribing your way to the front of the queue.

kja1995
Male, 18-29, Western US
 124 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:49:00 PM
If the servers tips don't add up to minimum wage, their employer must compensate them.. So it's always worth it to take the $3 minimum. Either way, you'll make more than that..

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:17:17 PM
@patchouly

Any person that dosen't tip and keeps going back to the same place is an idiot.

WhoSaidWhat
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 163 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:11:13 PM
The only problem I have with tipping is that in some establishments, all of everyone's tips goes into a pot, and all the wait staff gets an equal share. In those places, the person that you saw waiting on the next table, and being a total jerk to the customer, gets the same tip as the person waiting on your table, and doing an above average job of it. This is commonly the case where the wait staff doesn't bus their own tables. All tips are collected by the bus staff, and later distributed. That's why I generally try to give my tip directly to whoever waits on me, instead of leaving it on the table.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:01:58 PM
Essersmith

"Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job."

"Exemplary" not good. If a server takes drink orders within 5 minutes, food order within 10 minutes, refills drinks, and checks in periodically that is good service. That is doing their job. That will keep me coming back.

However servers can go above and beyond that. Be super friendly or super helpful. I've had servers get down on their knees and talk to my kids about what they were coloring or whatever. S.hit like that is "exemplary" and worth an extra 5%.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9866 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 1:00:51 PM
Then don't eat out Patch.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:46:33 PM
@Essersmith

Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job.

The key word in HolyGod's statement was "exemplary".

A correlation exists in which better service generally results in a better tip - not always, but generally. Therefore, there is an incentive (better pay) to give the best possible service.

On the other hand, if we just give a minimum wage without tips, the "better pay" incentive disappears. Instead, the incentive is to perform adequately, as opposed to exemplarily.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:39:40 PM
"The only thing that changes is that now the server doesn't have any incentive to give you exemplary service as they will get paid the same no matter what..."

Really? what about the incentive that, if they dont do their job well, customers wont come back, then the restaurant/whatever would do worse and the server would lose his/her job.
If anything Id much rather tip the chef rather than pay someone who needs an extra incentive not to spit in my food.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4454 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:36:52 PM
If you tell the server - at the beginning of the meal - that you aren't planning on tipping, you will get spit in your food. Anyone that that tells a server they aren't tipping is an idiot, not a person who "does have the balls".

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:35:51 PM
How about a website with the tag line "If you can't afford to live off of tips, better yourself and quityerbitchin." myachingass.com

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:23:05 PM
Tip is supposed to come as a reward if the server was good. Tipping all the time renders the practice obsolete. But I guess that in capitalist 'Merrica servers get paid jack sh'it.

bleong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 99 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:12:57 PM
FYI, with a tipped employee, if he doesn't make minimum wage with tips, the employer is required to make the difference (federally). They won't ever make less. Some states including CA, do not have a lower minimum for tipped employees.

I tip somewhere between 10% for poor service to 25% for excellent sushi.

On average, whether the sun is shining makes more of a difference in giving tips than service quality. True story.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3300 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:10:32 PM

To hell with that. I don't care what the server makes. Get a better job, I tip for GOOD service, not to support the servers bad life choices.

A few of my friends used to work at olive garden and red robin when we were younger. They would brag about how much they made including tips.

If a server has 10 tables in his section, and each customer stays for an hour, they could leave 1 dollar each and the server has just added 10$ on top of their hourly wage. Most people leave much more than 1 dollar.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2488 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:01:39 PM
Look, all I'm saying is that in every other business, the bill you get is the amount that the business requires for the services/goods they have provided you, it's a pain in the ass to have to guess at how much you should pay.

chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1763 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:00:35 PM
This tipping poo needs to go. Pay them normally and tips should be smaller and extra.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:54:51 AM
jendrian-"why restaurant owners are so special they don't have to pay minimum wage like everyone else."

Please repeat 10 times: Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage, Tips are Wage.

Any wait-staff that is halfway decent at their jobs earn much more than minimum wage.

Try this: Take all wait-staff to minimum wage, and FORBID tips. See how fast the wait-staff cries foul.

MikeyNiv
Male, 18-29, Europe
 701 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:50:11 AM
"restaurants are permitted to bypass the federal minimum wage requirements"

maybe you should fix that then instead of blaming the consumer

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:47:28 AM
Jendrian

"I don't see why restaurant owners are so special they don't have to pay minimum wage like everyone else."

Do you guys really not get this?

If you make restaurant owners pay minimum wage, they simply raise the price of food accordingly. Then you don't tip, you just pay the bill. However your cost of food is raised to about what your tip would have been and now you are taxed on that so your overall bill is the same or more.

The only thing that changes is that now the server doesn't have any incentive to give you exemplary service as they will get paid the same no matter what and they don't get a portion of their income in "non-taxable" cash. SO now the IRS gets more money from the restaurant owner AND you AND the server.

Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1458 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:46:41 AM
I'm with skypirate, tipping for service is for bars. Restaurant tipping is because waitstaff is taxed 8% of any of their reciepts based on the assumption that people tip. So if people don't at least tip 8% a person is actually loosing money. I believe. They do get minimum in California but that isn't a livable wage.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2488 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:42:25 AM
I don't see why restaurant owners are so special they don't have to pay minimum wage like everyone else.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:40:20 AM
TruTenrMan

"It's crap like this that makes me NOT want to tip people."

You mean because you're a cheap piece of s.hit?

Don't think of it as a tip. Think of it as 15% of the cost of your meal that you pay directly to your server.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4760 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:38:45 AM
normalfreak2

"pay their employees a livable wage"

They would. Livable wage is way higher than minimum wage.


TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:35:55 AM
It's crap like this that makes me NOT want to tip people.

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