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Brake Checking Motorcycle Rider Gets Rammed By Car

Hits: 8283 | Rating: (3.6) | Category: Weird | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9877 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 9:30:21 AM
Kree is right. I don't know why the biker motioned to the car though.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:57:00 AM
Folks, take a look at kree's comment of July 16 5:53 PM, then look at the video a few more times. I think he's spotted something we all missed.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:41:49 AM
@OldOllie

"Try proving someone did that to you in court."

That's why I'm equipped with a camera, Russian Youtube style :)

At the time of my accident, I didn't have a camera. But there were a ton of witnesses, and the police got plenty of statements. I was lucky.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12971 Posts
Wednesday, July 17, 2013 12:05:28 AM
If you overtake and then slow down in front of them, that's cutting someone off, and puts you at fault.

Try proving someone did that to you in court. When the cop shows up and sees a read-end collision, he doesn't even ask; he writes the ticket for the guy in the back. If you take it to court, all you'll get is the bum's rush to the cash register. Then you have to eat the deductible on your car (or the whole damned bill if you don't carry collision), and you'll get boned up the @$$ on your insurance rates for the next 2 years. (In my case, the insurance company got ALL their damned money back.)

Runemang
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 2156 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:00:49 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ... *gasps for air* ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

... and the nonchalant ... "check my bumper first" ... was the icing on the cake.

I don't care what the car driver did - you don't pull your bike in front of a car and slam on your brakes anymore than you pull your car in front of a semi or a train and slam on your brakes. You're going to lose and lose huge. Cyclist was a drating idiot and the inevitable happened.

What pisses me off is in the US there are always pushes for "START SEEING MOTORCYCLES" and most, not all, motorcycle riders around here are blatant drattard morons. I'm within 3 degrees of separation of no less than 5 bikers that are crippled or are vegetables because of bike accidents and every single one of them ... it was their fault, not the car driver (or in one case, the semi, and in another case, a tractor).

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:35:28 PM
If correct, it means someone publicly posted evidence of the driver's guilt.

synaw
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:30:21 PM
sweepofdeath i usually agree with you but i have to disagree with you here. solely because you have no idea what happened before the camera came on.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:28:56 PM
Kind of explains the driver's nonchalance at the end, too, doesn't it?

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:27:35 PM
Holy Sh*t!

kree_
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 273 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:53:01 PM
I've been timing the distance between reflectors on the oh poo barrier, but I can't get the drivers speed figured out because I forgot what the distance between them is supposed to be.

But doing this has left me confused, the video is very quick so it is hard to tell, but I don't think the biker brake checked the car. I think the distance closed because the driver slammed on the gas. the motorcycle went to overtake, the driver said drat this and went onto the shoulder to pass the motorcycle, the cycle said no way, and speed up. It then looks like the motorcycle slows down causing the collision, but if you look at the things around the side of the road, they do not slow down, they speed up.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:47:06 PM
Still think something must have happened earlier that pissed off the guy on the bike. His actions were just way too stupidly dangerous for this to be a spontaneous episode, rather than one caused by anger.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:44:25 PM
Good point, greenbasterd. Of course that would make him even stupider since he should then have known that the driver couldn't tell he was suddenly slowing as quickly as he would have if the brake lights went on.

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2322 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 1:50:08 PM
his brake lights could have been working.. he was prolly just in a low gear gear so when he let off the throttle he slowed down fast.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2983 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:35:35 AM
sparki1980,
I don't agree. The biker pulled into the left lane when he had a wide open lane in front of him. He pulled in too close to the car, then hit his brakes without working brake lights. He had no need to pull into the lane since he wasn't passing anyone. His brake light wasn't working so he shouldn't have been on the road to start with, except to bring it in for service. Also, if he just likes riding in the left lane, he could easily have moved over BEHIND the car that was going faster than he wanted to go.

NNoamfer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1192 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:31:18 AM
What the drat was he expecting?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:16:27 AM
@MeGrendel

PS: I was doing 30mph in a 30mph limit.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 9:15:27 AM
@MeGrendel

"No, that just means you're using too much front wheel brake."

In my flip, I was applying the normal ratio of front/back braking, but just a LOT harder.

What were my options?

Reduce front brake and keep back the same or more: end up wobbling, skidding...and hit the car.

Reduce both front and back brake to keep the same braking ratio and avoid the flip: not stop in time and hit the car.

I was in a no-win situation: he overtook and slammed on his brakes in front of me, in one single action, all too quick for me to do anything other than emergency brake.

Normally, you maintain enough space in front of you to avoid having to brake too hard, to avoid having to flip. This option was not there for me. My stopping distance was stolen from me by a dangerous driver.

So that is what I was saying: sometimes...SOMETIMES...it IS a choice of flip or hit.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4178 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:51:39 AM
Musuko42-"Bikes flip over if you brake too hard."

No, that just means you're using too much front wheel brake.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:44:31 AM
@sparki1980

Ah, I imagine the difference stems from how lane discipline works in our different countries.

Here, you are expected to stay in the outermost lane (rightmost for you, leftmost for us), unless you are passing another vehicle, which you are only allowed to do on the right (left for you).

If you are passing/overtaking another vehicle, then the responsibility of performing the maneuver safely is yours. If you cause the vehicle you are overtaking to have to slow down to maintain a safe stopping distance, then you have not overtaken safely.

The driver SHOULD have reacted to that dangerous situation by increasing that distance again, but the dangerous situation was created in the first place by the biker.

Also, I imagine slowing down in front of someone without cause is a violation in its own right. "Driving without due care and attention", probably.

sparki1980
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 329 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:20:17 AM
@Musuko42

Over here there is thing called "ownership" of a lane (or something to that affect). If you are legally changing lanes and have taken gotten most of the way into it, you are now owning it and anyone that was previously in that lane but behind you has to yield it to you and can't just push up on you because they were there first. If say you switch lanes and slow down, since they have already yeilded you the lane it is their responsibility to try and avoid hitting you and they must slow down with you. In this case the bike has been in that lane a good amount of time, the car has to try to avoid any potential accident. The car has the ability to just back off, and go to the other lane to avoid dealing with the douche.. instead he chose to continue to go forward and failed to slow down in time.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:07:36 AM
@REV666

"its common knowledge that bikes can stop way faster than cars"

Then that common knowledge is wrong. Bikes flip over if you brake too hard. Cars can slam on anchors. Bikes often have to make a choice: flip, or hit. Sometimes simply stopping isn't an option.

Source: Personal experience. The guy that cut me off and slammed on his brakes in front of me was in a car...I was on a motorcycle. I had to emergency brake at 30mph, and that flipped the bike (Honda CBR 600F3) and put me on the ground. Thank god for ATGATT.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 8:04:26 AM
@sparki1980

"Rear end collision is always seen as the rear car's fault"

Untrue. If you overtake and then slow down in front of them, that's cutting someone off, and puts you at fault. At least, in the UK that's the case.

Source: personal experience, where the driver that did that to me got convicted of dangerous driving, banned for a year, and probably had some hefty increases in his premiums after his insurance paid out four-figure compensation to me.

pmarren
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 4150 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:58:05 AM
Let's check the score:

Cars = 1
Motorcycles = 0

Same score as always.

lifeavoidit
Male, 30-39, Europe
 257 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:23:06 AM
Car should have pulled over after overtaking, thats why the bike had to undertake.

Bit stupid to brake check a car though lol.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4178 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 6:10:01 AM
edana42-" I dont want anyone to kill me or me kill anyone else"

Sorry, if the biker had been killed, it would have been 'suicide by stupidity'.

You don't want to get killed? Don't stop your moped in front of a Cadillac doing 70.

In this case, the biker is responsible for his own injuries and/or death.

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