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Richard Dawkins

Hits: 5399 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: Misc. | Added by: Gerry1of1
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Xprez
Male, 30-39, Western US
 676 Posts
Thursday, July 18, 2013 7:57:21 PM
Strange thing about all religions. Before coming into contact with other religions, all religions already had similar stories about a supreme being and other similar stories. Maybe the bible was meant to be taken figuratively, not literally. Would the message be that bad? I think most of the problems with the bible is man's terrible interpretation of it. Maybe it's real, maybe it's not. Neither side has definite proof. So it's annoying when someone takes to the stage and pretends to be all-knowing. Just like the preacher that claims to know everything. The point is, how can you totally discount one side?
To me, the biggest a-hole is not the one who believes, or the one who doesn't. It's the one that believes that you need to believe what they do. Leave people alone, let them have their solace and comfort as long as it's within the confines of law, so be it.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3231 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:55:09 PM
He answered the question to the degree that a stupid question like that deserved.

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:07:24 AM
+1 for SmagBoy1

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4170 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 3:10:27 PM
He didn't answer the question.


He did, but logic seems somewhat esoteric sometimes. Here, I'll give a more direct answer: if the only reason you believe in God is fear of punishment, fear that he would cast you down into a fiery death for all eternity, simply for failing to believe in him (not for being an evil person, not for mistreating others, not for stealing or raping or any other evil, but simply for not believing in him), then I would rather be wrong than believe in such a pitiful excuse for a Father.

My own father loves me, forgives me all manner of indiscretion and still hopes the best for me. Just as I do my own children. A parent who doesn't, we humans call a bad parent. Especially when said parent gave me curiosity and the ability to reason, then would punish for actually using it, rather than blindly believing in him over no proof whatsoever.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4170 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 2:31:24 PM
It is not nice to ridicule other peoples faith.
If painting their navel blue makes them happy then why should we object?



I only object when they try to pass laws that affect us all based on their faith. If they want to learn Creationism instead of science, let them. I won't object. If they want to practice abstinence-only sex ed. Let them. I won't object. If they want to eschew abortions, let them. I won't object. IF they want to pray prior to a meal, let them, I won't object. But have them pass laws on their religious beliefs that limit my ability to practice mine? To that, I object.

krw888
Male, 50-59, Canada
 145 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 2:20:30 PM
Not impressed with the answer.

krw888
Male, 50-59, Canada
 145 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 2:19:45 PM
Not impressed.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3231 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 12:28:48 PM
@patchgrabber,
That's not what I was taught but I'll take your word for it. My point, however, remains.

@HolyGod,
Yep.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 10:32:27 AM
papjon0s1

" I will gladly live my life as if there is a God only to find out in the end there is not than to live my life as if there is no God only to find out He does indeed exist. Cause that'd suck."

Did you get the point of this video?

The point is you are living your life as if there is no Thor, Zues, or one of the other thousands of deities people have believed in. What if you find out they do exist in the end? Won't that suck?

Won't it suck if you find out the Jews are right? Or the Muslims? Mormons? Scientologists?

You are betting on one out of THOUDSANDS, I'm not betting on any of them. Your odds aren't really any better.

However, if you need god and the promise of heaven to live a good life, be good to people, and do good things then carry on.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 10:26:19 AM
papajon0s1

"a group from my church just left for Ohio where they are going to the inner city to help build homes"

I think it is great that your church group is doing that. But it didn't REQUIRE a church. Think if they were just a community group that wanted to do good and they devoted ALL the time and money they spent on church to directly helping people?

I volunteer once a week doing art therapy at a homeless shelter. I sponsor 2 kids in south america. I do habitat for humanity occasionally. I do pro bono design work for non profits fairly often.

Good people can do good things WITH or WITHOUT a church. The church is completely unnecessary in your scenario.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 10:25:12 AM
papajon0s1

"a warped and biased view of what it means to live a Christ-like life."

I think living living your life according to the teachings of Jesus is wonderful. I try to do that myself. I just don't need all the fear, fairytales, or promise of reward at the end. I do it because I personally think it is the right thing to do.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5691 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 9:52:19 AM
@broizfam: Christian and Jewish sabbath are both Friday to Saturday evening; Sunday is not their sabbath.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3231 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 9:37:45 AM
papajon,
I don't think anyone here is complaining about people who live a "Christ-like life". Such a life, as I understand it, involves acceptance, forgiveness, and doing good. I doubt anyone here objects to any of that. The problem is when people try to convert others against their will, or force laws onto the books making others live according to the specifics of their religion. I'm Jewish (cultural only, I'm not a believer). How do you think the Christian population would react if we made it illegal for anyone to eat pork products, shrimp, and cheeseburgers and you couldn't go shopping on Saturday which is our sabbath? Too many who espouse Christian values don't live accordingly and that often makes a problem for everyone else.
Also, Dawkins is right to turn that question around. After all, how many gods should someone believe in just in case they would otherwise be wrong?

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5691 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 7:44:52 AM
than to live my life as if there is no God only to find out He does indeed exist. Cause that'd suck.

Pascal's wager never goes out of style I suppose. And which of the 1000s of deities that have been thought up is the correct one? It's quite arrogant to presume it would be the one your parents told you to believe in.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 569 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 7:31:32 AM
If you believe people like this author and many of the comments here then you have only a warped and biased view of what it means to live a Christ-like life. i.e. a group from my church just left for Ohio where they are going to the inner city to help build homes for a few weeks. They care not if those they help believe or not. No one is paying them and they are not forcing their message on to anyone. They are simply living a Christ-like life. I will gladly live my life as if there is a God only to find out in the end there is not than to live my life as if there is no God only to find out He does indeed exist. Cause that'd suck.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 6:46:01 AM

@ madduck - indeed we do have a lot of religious nuts here. They push laws through and force religion into schools and the protest and complain the I'm shoving my beliefs on them when I refuse to live by their faith. Choosing evolution in school over actual science is one example. Bible quotes on our court room walls is another.

Webz
Male, 18-29, Europe
 572 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 6:00:48 AM
In Philosophy of Religion class (an elective module I took in my first year of university) we were advised by our lecturers to avoid two sources when writing papers. One was The Bible (for obvious reasons) and the other was Richard Dawkins. Even other philosophers think he has the shoddiest, sneakiest logic and his attitude is just awful.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11876 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 6:00:23 AM
Voltaire
“Now, now my good man, this is no time to be making enemies."
(Voltaire on his deathbed in response to a priest asking him that he renounce Satan.)

Jake_Justus
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 4436 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 5:14:22 AM
"The fact that religion has set back scientific research and generally the progress of the human race for CENTURIES ...."

That wasn't the case. In fact, the opposite was true for a time. It was under the patronage of the Church that the use of perspective was introduced in painting and polyphony was developed in music. Church scribes also copied and preserved countless manuscripts from the ancient world that would otherwise have been lost. The Church also opened some of the first hospitals. In fact, the modern university evolved from the Church's cathedral schools.

I'm not a believer, and have no interest in singing the praises of religion, but facts are facts.

Reignblazer
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2175 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 4:42:44 AM
"It is not nice to ridicule other peoples faith.
If painting their navel blue makes them happy then why should we object?
As long as they don't teach that to children in schools, nor pass laws based on their fait that I have to follow, then I say "Good To You" if it comforts them.

Me? I prefer reality."

I don't consider myself a militant atheist, but considering the fact that religion has set back scientific research and generally the progress of the human race for CENTURIES..it's more than justified to ridicule them, it is vital to our continued survival as a species.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 1:36:14 AM
AuburnJunky

"He didn't answer the question."

Of course not. Instead he showed what a dumb f.ucking question it was.

If I asked you if you concerned about what will happen if you are wrong about not believing in Thor would you give a serious answer or would you dismiss me as a simpleton?

The number of people who believe a delusion does not increase the delusion's validity.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5445 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 1:29:18 AM
Of course he answered the question. You God is based on where you were born. Which brings up Gerry's point that it is taught in school, Sunday school, church, mosque etc and laws are made in its name and people hate, persecute, kill and die for that name. And not once has its existence been proven! And if you don't agree, my peaceful 'God' will kill you...and if he doesn't, I will kill you because I'm sure that's what He would want me to do...if He were here.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Monday, July 15, 2013 12:18:50 AM
I thought it was South Park making fun of him, but apparently he really said this?

I was absolutely not raised in a Christian household and I would really like him to answer the question. His answer was a deflection. "What if I'm wrong? Well what if they're wrong!". That was his answer.

Given the fact that Dawkins probably doesn't have the secret to the universe, really, I wonder what it would be to him if he were wrong. It doesn't have to be a God, it could be any number of things about the origin of life or consciousness that he has already cavalierly dismissed. Really, Dawkins, what if you are wrong and don't know it all about the origins of life and consciousness?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9973 Posts
Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:42:36 PM
He didn't answer the question.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5404 Posts
Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:28:33 PM
I agree with you there Gerry, I get a little fed up with the religion bashing. I know some people are nuts- and you have more of them there than here- but most people are reasonable and decent.

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