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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 4:05:04 PM
Cajun247

"OldOllie is a former Mensa member, that's not saying much."

Mensa membership requires a standardized IQ score of 132 or higher. That puts you pretty much in the 98 percentile, which makes you statistically smarter than 98 out of 100 people. When you think of how dumb most people are it isn't really THAT big of a deal. The fact that people lie about it makes it even less big of a deal.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:58:54 PM
with an engineering degree and a Mensa membership card can get your logic.


OldOllie is a former Mensa member, that's not saying much.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:20:59 PM
@lauriloo

And before you go on about how a flat tax would make the rich pay less and that nonsense, remember we close all deductions and credits too.

What was Romney's rate with the current system? 14% was it? Was your rate higher or lower?

Assuming it was higher, then the only way to get the same revenue with a flat tax rate would be raising Romney's rate and lowering yours.

This sounds exactly like what you want.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:18:40 PM
@lauriloo

So they are guaranteed a minimum income only if they work?

No, FFS. I guess I'll have to spell it out; guess that engineering degree and Mensa membership didn't go very far after all.

Every single person, regardless of their work status, receives a guaranteed income; this is called a negative income tax (children would be a lesser rate than adults or emancipated adults).

People who make more than that rate pay a flat tax on the excess income they make.

The negative income tax would replace all other redistributionist entities (welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, HUD, etc.). The flat tax rate would be set to the necessary level (even if 50% - remember it's "marginal" income) to create whatever level of revenue needed to maintain society.

So, recap, people still are supported. Government is reduced, and the tax code is simplified. Win, win, win.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:09:37 PM
"It is different from welfare because it removes the incentive to stay out of the workforce."

So they are guaranteed a minimum income only if they work? People in between jobs or disabled get nothing and will just starve on the street? Oh yeah, c h a r i t i e s will take care of them.

Sorry you're not explaining it so someone twice your age, with an engineering degree and a Mensa membership card can get your logic.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 3:01:45 PM
@lauriloo

Where does this base income come from?

The IRS... It's a negative income tax. Not sure where I lost you... might be trolling -_-.

I don't see how this is different from welfare and social security

It is different from welfare because it removes the incentive to stay out of the workforce. It is nothing like social security. I mean, it is literally nothing like social security.

Which puts all basic infrastructure currently funded by government at risk.

No it doesn't. The net revenue for the government remains the same.

What's going to fund this "guaranteed base income"?

The net revenue from taxation.

I think you need to reread my post; you did not understand it.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:57:15 PM
"This means that everyone is guaranteed an income in the US"

Where does this base income come from? The Welfare department? I don't see how this is different from welfare and social security, other than changing taxes for people with more money to be able to keep more money. Which puts all basic infrastructure currently funded by government at risk. What's going to fund this "guaranteed base income"?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:23:13 PM
@HolyGod

So, you're probably wondering what my solution is because up to this point, I've simply criticized everything you've mentioned.

Here goes:

We need a negative income tax pegged to a percentage (my guess is ~15%) below the market floor.

This means that everyone is guaranteed an income in the US, provided it is a bit lower than what they could make in the market. In pegging the negative income tax, we realign the incentives to work. Additionally, we transfer decision making to the consumer, who, on the average, will make better situation specific decisions with that money.

Every dollar earned by an individual over the set wage is subject to a flat tax of whatever it needs to be. There are no credits, deductions, or corporate taxes. Any income that increases an individuals net worth, even capital gains, is subject to the same rules.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:16:15 PM
@HolyGod

A corporation is a collection of people and therefore takes on group mentality where each individual's personal morality is minimized. There are lots of psychological terms and factors that describe how a group is able to do something worse than any single individual's morality would allow.

Isn't a corporation, which is a collection of individuals, just like a government (a collection of individuals) in this case?

Sure, a corporation by itself has power because they have money. What injustices can they do to you though? Can they come into your house and arrest you for smoking marijuana? No, their power is limited to volunteer exchanges.

No such limit exists for government. So, while government and corporations are subject to the same evils, corporations are limited to being evil only when the consumer volunteers.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:15:41 PM
@HolyGod

Sounds nice dude but your fixes don't really solve anything.

Most welfare recipients (even those who genuinely need it) aren't any more alcoholic or drug addicts compared to the general population.

Mandatory community service for welfare? That's more labor misallocated.

People who get govt sponsored job training are actually worse off than otherwise.

Interestingly enough fighting welfare fraud and abuse actually costs more than the value of the fraud itself.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:12:53 PM
@HolyGod

Social security is MUCH different from the others listed. It was paid into with guarantees. It needs to be paid back to those who paid into it.

Welfare, on the other hand, causes poverty.

As for Medicare/Medicaid and student loans, there is a pattern to be recognized: every time the government incentivizes a market, costs rise sharply for everyone. Incentivize housing and you get a bubble. Incentivize healthcare and you get a bubble. Incentivize college education and you get a bubble.

The fact of the matter is that nobody spends someone elses money as carefully as they spend their own.

So, I would argue that the government hurts far more people than it helps, in far more ways.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:06:42 PM
@HolyGod

That's a lot of points to cover, but I'll do what I can... -_-

In my opinion, much like the New Deal, the bailouts serve to stagnate the economy and further misallocate market resources.

Did they save the economy? Absolutely not in my opinion. The economy always recovers so the notion that it can be "saved" is wrong in the first place. Rather, we should focus on how long it takes to recover.

We still haven't recovered. Not to mention, the bailouts were only "needed" because the government (and Fed and GSE's) so drastically distorted the housing market in the first place.

Did the bailouts save the US auto industry? I think so. However, in doing so, they perpetuated the misallocation of labor to a market that is obviously well beyond saturation. Eventually, the industry will either need to lay people off or will require more bailouts to sustain their over-employment.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 2:03:28 PM
Cajun247

I agree with everything you said.

I think we both agree that medicaid, welfare, public housing, and food stamps are a broken system.

Your opinion seems to be get rid of it. Mine is try to fix it.

Let's do everything we can to keep people from abusing it and let's mandate some way for people to earn it.

Mandatory monthly drug and alcohol screenings.
Mandatory community service.
Mandatory job training.
Random investigations with HEAVY penalties for abuse.
Etc.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:42:53 PM
Continued from the previous point, Obamacare does nothing to fix it. Congress couldn't control costs, there is no reason to believe an executive bureaucracy will do the same. MediCare must be ended.

There are plenty of poor people who are only surviving due to medicaid and welfare.



Again too many people don't need it and actually disincentivises quality healthcare. A voucher program can minimize this problem.

People that wouldn't have otherwise been able to are going to college because of federal grants.



Because of which we're seeing a bubble forming in education. Which suggests that some don't really need it that much (see liberal arts majors).

In short govt trying fix problems or "problems" (latter with emphasis on quotes) almost invariably creates more unintended problems.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10246 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:33:30 PM
I think the bailouts saved the economy, even if they weren't handled properly.


Except it endorsed the banks' irresponsible behavior, and has increased systemic risk within our banking system.

I think the government saved the auto industry, whether or not they should have is up for debate.


As if GM was uncompetitive before the bailouts made them, and their unionized workers, even more so. As a matter of fact while GM has still managed to lose jobs since Toyota has created them.

There are plenty of old people who are only surviving due to social security and medicare.


There are far more who genuinely don't need it and the latter especially is making healthcare far too expensive for those who actually need it.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:16:16 PM
HumanACtion

"Where you say that people and corporations are selfish, I see no difference. Corporations can't be selfish, only the people that run them can be."

An individual human has its own morality directing its actions. A corporation is a collection of people and therefore takes on group mentality where each individual's personal morality is minimized. There are lots of psychological terms and factors that describe how a group is able to do something worse than any single individual's morality would allow.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:15:42 PM
HumanAction

"I can't think of anything the federal government has done that has been an overwhelming success."

I think the bailouts saved the economy, even if they weren't handled properly. I think the government saved the auto industry, whether or not they should have is up for debate.
There are plenty of old people who are only surviving due to social security and medicare.
There are plenty of poor people who are only surviving due to medicaid and welfare.
People that wouldn't have otherwise been able to are going to college because of federal grants.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

The federal government helps lots of people in lots of ways.


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:29:03 PM
@HolyGod

You think government is broken and ineffective so it should be minimized or discarded where possible. I think government is broken and should be fixed.

I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement. Other than war, which by nature destroys wealth, I can't think of anything the federal government has done that has been an overwhelming success. Can it be "fixed"? Maybe - I can't answer that. Does history suggest that it would just become broken again down the road? I think so.

Where you say that people and corporations are selfish, I see no difference. Corporations can't be selfish, only the people that run them can be. Every such group - government included - is comprised of fallible people. Thus, we should minimize the damage possible by any one organization.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5021 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:24:11 PM
HumanAction

"I imagine it is egalitarians - such as yourself - who seem to be under the impression that the federal government will magically solve societies problems; this all despite overwhelming evidence in the contrary."

I think I have figured out the defining characteristic between our ideologies. You think government is broken and ineffective so it should be minimized or discarded where possible. I think government is broken and should be fixed.

I believe people, special interests, and corporations are FAR too selfish to be left to their own devices. I think a properly run government could keep us relatively safe, foster enterprise, protect the environment, educate, and provide for the needy.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:18:37 PM
@lauriloo

I've been working on a piece about the three kinds of redistributionists: The Entitled, The False Prophets, and the "If Only". I believe you are a False Prophet.

The False Prophets fervently believes the average person is less moral than themselves. A defining argument of a False Prophet is that "the others" will not "do the right thing" of their own choosing and thus, must be coerced into doing so.

False Prophets arbitrarily decide, based on their own ideals, what "the right thing" is. Oftentimes, their ideals are not supported by meaningful statistics.

A common defense of False Prophets is to claim the opponent is selfish, or somehow unsympathetic to the plight of the poor or disadvantaged.

A possible explanation for the paradoxical views of False Prophets is that they subconsciously realize that, without coercion, they themselves would not meet their own standards.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:06:54 PM
@lauriloo

I knew somebody would miss the "stereotypical" part. I thought I had emphasized it enough, but apparently not.

Here, I'll rewrite it for you:

The STEREOTYPICAL LIBERAL supports gay marriage and therefore wants the government to legalize it.

That ought to do it! So glad we did this.

Also, if anyone has a fantasy about nirvana, I imagine it is egalitarians - such as yourself - who seem to be under the impression that the federal government will magically solve societies problems; this all despite overwhelming evidence in the contrary.

My dear, nirvana is not for this world. For those capable, it is time to be responsible adults instead of looking to government to solve your every problem.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:54:16 AM
"The stereotypical liberal supports gay marriage and therefore wants the government to legalize it. "

Wrong. A liberal would LOVE it if the government had nothing to do with marriage but are REALISTIC about how to make things happen in the here and now. No fantasies about a sudden utopia where everyone is law-abiding, considerate to their fellow citizen, free to do as they please and no local government corruption making rules that hurt whomever they decide they don't like so that if you move from one state to another you might lose basic rights because the next state decided something different for you. Remember the days when the southern states thought slavery was great?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13380 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:50:03 AM
But shame to see the lowlife rightwing dirtbags here using this to peddle their crap.


Ya Democrats never exploit a tragedy to push an agenda....ROLF!

furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:38:46 AM
I really hope they find this a-hole and put him away for an extended period of time. But shame to see the lowlife rightwing dirtbags here using this to peddle their crap.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, June 26, 2013 9:13:26 AM
Not that you need a lesson in any of this...

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