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Robber Shot As People Line Up For Lebron Shoes

Hits: 5213 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3674 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 6:22:01 AM
CreamK-"You are truly despicable humanbeing."

And you're an idiot.

CreamK-"you may just pull a gun when someone steps on your lawn"

Never said that. Have no problem someone stepping on my lawn. I don't even get upset when the neighbor's dog takes a dump on it or if the neighborhood kids play football on it.

CreamK-"So what about killing for jaywalking?"

Please pay careful attention as you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. I did not say he SHOULD have been shot. I pointed out the reality that he took the CHANCE of being shot when he decided that he had the right to other peoples' property.

The fact that I fail to feel saddened by an idiot basically committing suicide is irrelevent. (I mean, come on, what are the chances of someone having a gun in a line for Labron shoes?)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3674 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 6:21:04 AM
Draculya-"I feel sorry for the people that would wish to justify this"

No one's justifying it. Just pointing out the reality that criminals run the risk of getting killed.

But then, it's not a requirment that we go 'Gasp! That's just not fair.'.

Draculya-"it was simple petty larceny do you still believe the guy had the right to shoot and kill him over what probably amounted to less than $300"

Who mentioned rights? I mentioned REALITY. The reality is that if you steal something from someone, you run the risk of getting shot.

Smart people wouldn't risk that. Sometimes stupidity is lethal.

paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1644 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 5:53:14 AM
"The group was waiting in line early Saturday morning to buy the LeBron X Denim sneakers when a man approached with a gun and attempted to rob them, according to police."

Thats form the article I read about this. Its sad for the mans family that he's dead, but if you pull a gun on someone and they shoot you, its your own fault.

By the way, those shoes look ridiculous.

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 1945 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 5:10:15 AM
CreamK, you had me agreeing until 'still no one, i repeat NO ONE on this earth is justified for killing the murderer. Not even when he's killed and raped 1000 little children'
Someone comes at me and I know for sure that he's done such heinous crimes as you've described... yeah, I'd feel totally vindicated with killing him, or her. Someone like that has shown by their actions that they don't deserve to be alive... by your own reasoning.

VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2395 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 5:03:52 AM
Also worthy of note, any nearby police on our continent would have likely shot this man as well once he pulled a weapon on the crowd. I take it that would have been fully unjustified as well? As to execution, the man was shot in the act of pulling a weapon on the crowd, not after surrendering with his hands bound.
And to anarchy, absolute pacisim and unwillingness to stand up for onesself or their fellow man can also be the start of anarchy, as those with the will to may simply do as they please.
In the future please apply logic and common sense to arguements instead of vaguely emotional statements and attempts to twist a scenario out of perspective, it belittles you.

VikingGuy
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2395 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 5:03:34 AM
Even in Germany, a European nation for those with terrible geographical knowledge, the man pulling a weapon would have made the entire thing count as a defensive act. The only real issue would have been that a CCW license is rather hard to come by here. Even someone simply picking your pocket you have every right to grab them and hold them till the cops arrive or you are able to turn them over to private security if it is in a shopping center or some other such area. Self defense is a given right in nearly any society even on the European continent.

So do take that with a pinch of salt CreamK. Mental illness is not a justification to threaten others with a weapon nor is it a reason that others must allow their lives to be threatened or taken. While human life is indeed valuable and not to be taken so lightly, accepting that self preservation and in this case as others are around, the greater good, are compelling causes to have done what this man did would be reasonable.

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 1945 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 5:00:52 AM
Essersmith, remember this happened in the USA so if the shooter had left the guy alive the shooter would probably be sued up the wazoo; it's well known that you shoot to kill to avoid lawsuits in the USA.
Americans, is this not so?

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 4:00:02 AM
A thought occured to me.

Aplying the notion of justice and self defence.
How is "defending" yourself from a guy With a gun, different from "defending" Yourself (morals beliefs and social Conventions) from an outside force? aka. western society vs. middleeastern society.
Its just as much about being threatened, and seeing no other way of defending yourself.
Odd coincidence of similarity of opinions.

Alright back to work :)

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16148 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 3:54:28 AM
Guy with CCW waiting in line, not assaulted at all shoots unarmed guy acting shifty, no charges filed, local press barely notices.

Guy with CCW on neighborhood watch, gets assaulted, shoots unarmed guy, not only are charges filed but guy and his family receive death threats, protests, but also gets excoriated in nationwide press.

Both cases had eyewitnesses, both claim self-defense. But one gets falsely claimed as "racial profiling" and all the muckrakers and spin doctors crawl out of their holes to mislead the public.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 3:34:41 AM
Thought Experiment:

You are caught eating a peanut without intent of paying. Store owner catches you and pulls a gun on you. You do the same and shoot him.
Self defence or murder?

You clearly defended yourself from an assailant.

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 2:50:57 AM
@Kainm
I doubt he feels that way about life and materials. Im sure however that he feels that: "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others."
=)

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 260 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 2:40:06 AM
@CreamK
Good Luck convincing MeGrentroll that his views might be a little.. off.

But as kain stated, the state condones killing of this sort. It is real hard to put a line after something like this.
The line seems real Close to eating that peanut in a supermarket, the store owner shooting you when you leave the store without paying for it.
Sure it sounds absurd, but so does shooting someone trying to rob someone of a few pennies. At least so us Europeans.

Dont get me wrong, these people were well within their right to defend themselves. But killing the poor bastard? Havent you guys watched Movies? shoot the kneecaps or shoulder or something.

Daegog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 214 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 2:39:58 AM
The shooter was threatened. He fired at his assailant. Tons of witnesses, case closed.

The man (and several) were being robbed, how are you defending the robber?

Lets say he did have a mental illness, does that give him carte blanche to rape as well?

If he did have a mental illness, that's a shame that he had no one close enough to find help for him, but out on the streets robbing people is not a good therapy treatment (although a bullet to the ass works wonders).

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10249 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 1:04:50 AM
I noticed the masterful troll-spike by @mytbozak. Way to troll, buddy.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 1:03:31 AM
@MeGrendel: Leap of logic ?!

"No charges will be filed" - Meaning that the state condones the use of deadly force in response to petty theft. I don't see much distinction between the two.

this probably just boils down to our wildly different views on the value of human life, where i think all human life has more value than material things, and you apparently don't.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 744 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 12:07:07 AM
Let's spin this around. What if the guy who got shot had mental illness? Something that prevented from him seeing what is right and what is wrong. Is it still ok to shoot him if he was sick? Nobody on that line knew any of that. Even if we agree that death penalty for petty crime is alright, it still doesn't justify execution on the street without any trial. We might as well abolish all rule and give out to anarchy.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 744 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:56:53 PM
WTF? I honestly don't want to live anymore. If this is what constitutes as justice in USA, i will become your enemy, this instant. This is worse than fundamentalist islam, they at least chop the hands from thieves and let the person live...

Hmm, does the fact that the person who died was black have more to do with your attitudes than what he actually did?

Not one of you trolls have given any limit of when is it not ok to kill someone. Shoplifting? Jaywalking? Playing music too loud? Being gay? One of those was once a crime and it's not anymore. Just where do you draw the line? Property, if so, what amount is worthy of a death penalty? If it's zero then i can most likely think 5 reasons to kill you this instant. All of them are not fair for you. Because you have never been a kid and broke something that wasn't yours. Leave without tipping? It's death for you.

This is so absurd.. You can't change the law without having criminal intent until the law is changed.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 744 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:45:15 PM
Even if this was a murdercase, still no one, i repeat NO ONE on this earth is justified for killing the murderer. Not even when he's killed and raped 1000 little children. There is no situation here killing someone is justified. Self-defense, yes, you are preventing a death and is then allowed to step beyond the primary principles.. But if there's no life-or-death situation, you are not allowed to take someones life. No matter how much it hurts, right to life is much greater than any of our little rules in any book.

The more i think of this, Grendel must be trolling. Can anyone have such low moral code in real life and continue to function? If this is true, i'm not kidding about mental illness. Regular humanbeing feels empathy and has some sense of justice. If you talk to some professional, you get the same answer:"there's something wrong with you"

I honestly don't want to live on the same planet as you, this is making me sick.

mytbozak
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 363 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:43:29 PM
you pu$$ies shut up. the guy had been robbing people and needed to die. human life aint so special. i $hit on your hollier than thou attitudes.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 744 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:33:41 PM
MEGrendel: You are truly despicable humanbeing. Not suitable for living among any thinking person as you may just pull a gun when someone steps on your lawn. Killing someone for petty crime is "justice" for you. So what about killing for jaywalking? Killing for shoplifting a 1$ candybar?

How old are you? Have you seen another humanbeing, talk to them, walked a mile in their shoes? Nope, because everyone is perfect, like you, nobody ever does something he wishes later that he didn't too, like.. you? You have never broken the law in any from, ever?. There is no limit in your way thinking. No second chances. No mercy.

Not only criminals face those who have different concept of fair. Regular, law abiding citizens face them also. A minor altercation and you're quickly at this position too. Getting shot for peanuts. It's way worse then eye-for-an-eye; you're view is life-for-papercut.

You sir, need grow some balls and start caring for others.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4469 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:28:35 PM
Megrendel and Gerry1of1

If the guy pulled a knife or a gun and got shot then bravo to the shooter. Someone threatens your life you have every right to take theirs in protection if left no other option.

However when I watched the story I pictured a guy picking pockets and then running away and getting shot as it never once mentioned him having a weapon. If that is the case, and it was simple petty larceny do you still believe the guy had the right to shoot and kill him over what probably amounted to less than $300?

soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1345 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:01:54 PM
Black? Surprised? NO !!!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33697 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 10:00:07 PM

I reserve the right to protect myself and mine, and my property. If you try to take it from me, on your own head be the consequence.

I believe in only one law, one sin; Do not harm others without justification.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10249 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:43:55 PM
I was going to break it down, but I don't need to analyse this. I feel sorry for the people that would wish to justify this and what it means about the way they perceive their society and their morality.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3674 Posts
Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:09:21 PM
CreamK-" It's execution."

Some would argue it's justice.

CreamK-"Anyone who feels that these actions were in any way balanced"

Reality check: "Life is not/has never been/will never be fair."

When you try to rob others, there is no 'fair'. There is not 'balance'. There is reality.

Reality is that the person you pull a knife on may have a gun. Reality is that any criminal may face someone who doesn't care what 'fair' is. (and why is it that only the victim is held to the 'fair' and 'balanced' ideal?)

'Fair' is for the courts. Reality is that you can get killed.

CreamK-"Property is not equal to life"

The criminal thought the property was worth his life, as he's the one who WILLINGLY put his life on the line.

CreamK-"Again, check in."

Life is not fair. Get used to it and quit demanding that it be so. You have no say-so in the matter.

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