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Robber Shot As People Line Up For Lebron Shoes

Hits: 5230 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: kitteh9lives
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CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 9:14:25 AM
luckily"??? So you think it's good thing that we can kill each others in some situations? When how and who has the justification of doing so? The criminal has no such right, government does not have it. If i'd believed in god then he would be the only one that can even remotely claim that form of justice. Mostly because he would have ALL the evidence, not just from the crime it self but all info from DNA, culture, past, everything.

My point of allowing the victims to revenge their death was designed so that it's a paradox. Death is final, thus it has totally different laws attached to it. Stealing a property? You have a chance of getting it back.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 9:02:07 AM
CreamK-"My stance on killing still stands: no one should kill another human in any context"

Luckily, your stance has no bearing on reality.

CreamK-"Death as a punishment is reserved for the murder victims, they are the only ones justified to do so"


CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 9:01:35 AM
Sorry for typos:
"doesn't not" -> "does not"
"for" -> "form"
"...is not justice, it's"- > "...it's just revenge."

Sorry for MeGrendel for attacking you so fiercely, you have to go and read your own posts from my viewpoint of not having enough information on this matter.. I think you find that in that context, my posts were understandable. Sorry again.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:55:45 AM
CreamK-"his points were the ones that made me feel like i did"

Please note that at no time was I trying to justify someone getting shot for pick-pocketing. Just pointing out the fact that it was POSSIBLE, and that the criminals know of the possibility, so are willingly risking their life for a few bucks. So, THEY are the ones making the choice that their life is worth (in this case) $180.

In any country in the world, if you rob someone, you risk injury or death. In any country if you break into a house, you risk injury or death.

YOU may not think it's 'fair', but what you think has nothing to do with the reality.

I happen to think all politicians should be honest, and we see how well that's working out.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:54:24 AM
My stance on killing still stands: no one should kill another human in any context. It's an ideology, it's not reality. We should strive to achieve our ideologies but we never will, nor we actually should, reach them. One is based on an idea, reality is how things actually work. Killing a murderer: in what sense is that right? As a punishment and deterrent? Reality shows that it does not work.

It's an ideology too; make the punishment so scary so no one will commit crimes. Does not and has not ever worked. It doesn't not refute all of the effects that the deterrent has. Clearly some for of punishment lurking in the background is what keeps us committing more crimes, that's a fact.

Death as a punishment is reserved for the murder victims; they are the only ones justified to do so. But since they are dead, we have only one choice: lock the bastard in a square windowless room. Not even the family has a right to kill the 100% guilty murderer. Revenge is not justice, it's

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:38:47 AM
turdburglar, Sunday, June 23, 2013 8:26:40 PM had the info in his post. Didn't notice it. Neither did Grendel notify that info anywhere in his posts and his points were the ones that made me feel like i did.. I didn't read all of the info and i admit, my response was poor in that sense.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:37:56 AM
CreamK-"is property more valuable than humanlife"

In my opinion? No.

At the same time, is this criminal's life worth the time, effort and dedication I have to put forth to provide for my family? No.

It boils down to this: Many criminals value their life less than they value what they are stealing. They willingly put their safety on the line for whatever it is they are stealing, because the fact that some people will react violently to any intrusion of their person or property is a known quantity.

This idiot was dumb. He pulled a gun on a group of ~25 people. In the State of Georgia, with the number of concealed permit holders, there would be, on average, 1.5 people legally carrying a concealed gun. (as it turned out, there appears to have been two).


CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:33:34 AM
Grendel: Just When did you find out that there's was another gun, carried by the robber? Honestly, when did you find this out as you are only now shouting it aloud.. Don't get me wrong, but it seems like you noticed how wrong you're statement was, found out that he DID have a gun and came back, looking all perfect and wise. I would've expect it to be the FIRST thing you stated, not the last.

If you'd known it when you started this and withheld that information... Well, we are not playing the same game anymore. I brought a chess-set to a game that was later changed to rugby.

Guns fix fear.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:26:18 AM
Grendel: why didn't you tell me this sooner:

"If you'd do a little research, you'd have fount out that he did, indeed, have a gun, and pull a gun on the people in the line."

I'm going with the information provided in the video, it's short description and a rant that was, at the time and the available info, clearly not justified. You had more info and didn't show it to others, instead you allowed the gathering more momentum against your totally immoral stance and then sweeped the rug under us by changing the conditions... That's a dick move as it changes the whole debate. If you knew this when you started ranting, we were not on the level playfield on this.

So now that new info emerges, one i didn't have a clue, i have no huge problems with this case. Maybe that the guns were there in the first place but that's totally another debate and i kept that away from this from out of respect to the original subject: is property more valuable than humanlife

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:22:07 AM
CreamK-"They don't know. That's why we have court of law."

Which is fine and dandy if the idiot makes it to the courts.

That is not guaranteed.

If someone is threatening you with a gun, you don't think 'Well, at least the courts will be fair after I've been murdered.' (Well, YOU may think that..sane people do not)

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:20:06 AM
CreamK-"People on that line were not threatened by physical violence"

Hey, Dippoo, you're working on old information.

THE ROBBER HAD A GUN POINTED AT THE PEOPLE IN THE LINE!

CreamK-"only cowards carry guns"

Okay, now you've just gone full retard. Never go full retard.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:17:03 AM
Grednel: You made my point exactly:
"CreamK-"Is it still ok to shoot him if he was sick"

Grendel: The people who he is robbing do not have that information, nor can they take it into consideration"

Exactly the reason i was going for with this example. They don't know. That's why we have court of law.

People on that line were not threatened by physical violence and the coward who had a gun straight up shot him (only cowards carry guns). I actually have some of the your attitude, don't effing steal, you might get hurt.

People mug pickpockets all over the world everyday. That's is not my problem, all thou i'd still prefer they'd be tried in fair court.. My problem with you is that you try to convince its "justice" when it clearly isn't. It's vindication, vigilantism, a gross abuse of power.

Who ever shot him, didn't act in self-defense but killed a guy and should be doing time for his crimes, that was way abo

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:16:39 AM
CreamK-"There were no mention of robber having a gun."

If you'd do a little research, you'd have fount out that he did, indeed, have a gun, and pull a gun on the people in the line.

Case of Self-defense. No charges will be filed.

CreamK-"if a person doesn't know what he is doing is wrong."

Then hopefully he will get help BEFORE he gets killed. If a guy doesn't know it's wrong to drive the wrong way on the interstate, are we to just let him cotinue because 'he doesn't no better'? No, he must be stopped, because his actions can result in the death of himself or others. Sometimes the first occurence results in death, and they can't receive help.

Life is harsh.

CreamK-"That's why there are trials."

Yes, and trials, in theory at least, are 'fair'. But, sometimes your actions may lead you to be dead before you can reach a trial.

Life is harsh.

talon0325
Male, 40-49, Canada
 384 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:07:25 AM
You have to be kidding! $180 for a pair of running shoes? Made in a foriegn country for less than $3 and people are lining up to buy some piece of crap with some dicks name on it. Only in 'merica. The robber only did the job that the people that own the store are doing anyway. WTF is our society coming to? $500 cell phones that blow away most computers and $300 jeans, $200 running shoes , that are not even used by runners. Keep going kids, the internet has you now. Anything that is posted on the internet is real and you MUST have it. No matter the cost. BTW. the lawn needs to be cut and your mom needs a hand putting the groceries away. Oh sorry. Did I interupt your texting? Get the f$%^ out of my house and find a life of your own.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:06:54 AM
and pussies!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:06:00 AM
Some people think it beter to be a victim then defend what they've worked for we call them UKers.....

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:02:53 AM
Grednel: You made my point exactly:
"CreamK-"Is it still ok to shoot him if he was sick"

Grendel: The people who he is robbing do not have that information, nor can they take it into consideration"

Exactly the reason i was going for with this example. They don't know. That's why we have court of law.

People on that line were not threatened by physical violence and the coward who had a gun straight up shot him (only cowards carry guns). I actually have some of the your attitude, don't effing steal, you might get hurt.

People mug pickpockets all over the world everyday. That's is not my problem, all thou i'd still prefer they'd be tried in fair court.. My problem with you is that you try to convince its "justice" when it clearly isn't. It's vindication, vigilantism, a gross abuse of power.

Who ever shot him, didn't act in self-defense but killed a guy and should be doing time for his crimes, that was way abo

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 8:02:31 AM
Had a gun boo hoo to bad so sad find another gun story to be pussies about.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 7:57:49 AM
From WSB in Atlanta: Witness-"A guy came in and pointed a gun at us." Also, there were TWO armed citizens that responded.

Criminal pointed gun at victims, victims shot back.

Case closed. Suicide by stupidity.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 7:53:25 AM
I guess many of you read my posts asa "he was allowed to rob and people are not allowed to defend" No, ffs, tackle and pin him to the ground.

There were no mention of robber having a gun.

Mental illness example by me: look above, it doesn't aquit him. It poses a serious question, if a person doesn't know what he is doing is wrong. (i don't think that specially in this case there were any but those in line didn't have any knowledge of what & why.. If he were pickpocketing to keep his mother alive and he had only 2 hours to do it.. I can make this sound like it's that assailant that was the hero.. That's why there are trials.

About 1000 kill example: i would sooo kill that kind of guy, i know that it is wrong and would go to jail for it (not before trying my best to avoid it).

Next: Grendel

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 7:35:13 AM
There is some strange crap going on here with the way this story is being reported.

The news report says "Pickpocket". That implies that a guy was sneaking around and picking pockets and another guy shot him for it. That is NOT a reason to shoot someone and the shooter should go to jail. However, if the story is that a guy came up in the line and held everyone at gun point, demanding their money, then shooting him becomes a justified act. It is self defense and is using equal force to stop the crime.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13431 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 7:10:20 AM
Wow this thread shows all who the massive pussies are......

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 6:32:24 AM
Kain1-"@MeGrendel: Leap of logic ?!"

Please specify what you consider a leap of logic.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 6:32:15 AM
CreamK-"NO ONE on this earth is justified for killing the murderer."

This is where you demonstrate that you're a naive idealogue with opinions not based anywhere close to reality.

CreamK-"I honestly don't want to live anymore."

Feel free to rob the next Labron line. Or commit suicide. You're under the delusion that somene cares.

CreamK-"This is worse than fundamentalist islam"

So, you're all for treating women as property and killing homosexuals? You can now be ignored.

CreamK-"does the fact that the person who died was black have more to do with your attitudes"

Ahh, sad attempt to pull race into it. Clue: He's dead because he was an idiot. I didn't now if he was black or white or yellow, nor do I care.

CreamK-"Is it still ok to shoot him if he was sick"

The people who he is robbing do not have that information, nor can they take it into consideration

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4633 Posts
Monday, June 24, 2013 6:31:50 AM
CreamK-"There is no limit in your way thinking. No second chances. No mercy."

I'm all for second chances. I'm all for mercy. But I also realize that if you try to rob someone, sometimes you don't GET a second chance. It's the chance a criminal willingly takes.

CreamK-" You sir, need grow some balls and start caring for others."

My balls are not in question, and you have no idea how much I care for others. (I'd be happy to compare how many wheelchair ramps we've built, how many natural disasters we've pickup up after, how much volunteer work we do..I'm sure you'd end up looking silly.) But I'm talking about REALITY here. Piss someone off, you run the risk of getting shot. So try to not piss people off. Is it fair? No. But it IS the reality.

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