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White House Petitioned To Ban Creationism [Pic+]

Hits: 4930 | Rating: (2.1) | Category: Science | Added by: whodat6484
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4333 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:03:50 PM
broizfam-"Someone else who's read Terry Pratchett?"

Anyone who hasn't read at least ONE Discworld novel is leading a deprived life. His writing reminds me too much of Harry Harrison's.

Gerry1of1-"need to get back to their traditional roles of oppressing women and molesting little boys."

That, unfortunately, is entirely too accurate.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3118 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:56:08 PM
MeGrendel,
Holy sh*t! Someone else who's read Terry Pratchett? Introduced my daughter to the Discworld books, she loves them.

Gerry,
"What the hell is the Catholic Church doing selling insurance? They need to get back to their traditional roles of oppressing women and molesting little boys."
That was damn funny, man!

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4333 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:49:46 PM
Gerry1of1-"As for the Catholic Church WRONG. Obama said insurance providers MUST provide X services."

Who the hell said anything about Insurance?

"If towns remain divided, if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can't see ourselves in one another and fear and resentment are allowed to harden, that too encourages division and discourages cooperation." Obama, 6/19/2013. (Yup, he just said it's all the Catholic's fault.)

Please try to keep up.

(Granted, I should have specified Catholic Schools, but as Schools was the subject of the thread I thought it would be self-evident)

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:37:48 PM
"White House can only ban this in Public School, where it is already illegal to teach creationism...Private School is out of its purview. (which will not stop it from trying..it's already set its sights on the Catholic Church"

Dumbest thing posted.
Obviously it only applies to schools which receive federal fundng ie public schools. As for the Catholic Church WRONG. Obama said insurance providers MUST provide X services. If any church objects they can get out of the insurance business. What the hell is the Catholic Church doing selling insurance? They need to get back to their traditional roles of oppressing women and molesting little boys.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:34:23 PM

I signed it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4333 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:31:37 PM
broizfam-"I learned of the Iriquois belief that the land was carried on a tortoise's back."

All Hail the Great A'Tuin.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3118 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:30:14 PM
Oops!
"that."

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4333 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:29:19 PM
madduck-"Teaching patent falsehoods should be forbidden in all schools."

Then you'd have to quit teaching the following:
-Columbus did not discover the Earth is Round.
-Washington didn't chop down the cherry tree.
-Anthropogenic Global Warming

(plus, you have no control over teaching in private schools)

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 3118 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:28:34 PM
Kilgore89,
You make a lot of sense. There's nothing wrong with teaching that there are various beliefs about creation and existence (As a child, I learned of the Iriquois belief that the land was carried on a tortoise's back. I wasn't taught that this was fact.) as long as that which is taught as "science" is what has been scientifically discovered. Even then it has to explained that our science is incomplete and, sometimes, new information is discovered that adjusts, sometimes significantly, our previous state of knowledge. This is why evolutionary theory is called a theory, not a fact. This is why the theory of gravity is a theory, even though we don't go floating away. (Avid Creationists *love* to point out that "evolution is only a theory") It can even be briefly presented in a science class: "Some religions teach us that all of existence was created by an all powerful God. Here is what the scientific method has shown us..." I have no problem with

Kilgore89
Male, 18-29, Canada
 194 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:48:11 PM
@aroc91
"When one option is patently wrong, it has no business being taught anywhere."

If you look at my example in the last post, it isn't that it has no business being taught anywhere, it is just that it has no business being taught as fact. Personally I think teaching students about as many different belief structures as possible with the goal of encouraging understanding and cultural tolerance is a good idea.

You can teach that an idea exists without advocating it. Schools teach fascism, communism, anarchism and other systems without pushing those agendas. Maybe it's my diverse Canadian background talking, but I think the best approach is to teach as many ideas as possible without passing judgement and letting kids decide on thier own. Not letting lobbyists, government or a majority of citizens decide what ideas are "acceptable".

J.S. Mill's "On Liberty" says it best, the more ideas circulating, the easier it is to de

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5355 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:47:36 PM
Teaching patent falsehoods should be forbidden in all schools.Imagine the outcry if they started teaching children it is safe to play with electricity? Yet a vast number of people in a first world country refuse to accept the method by which antibiotics are becoming resistant.

jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:43:28 PM
Signed! It won't do anything, but at least it lets the administration know there are plenty of Americans who oppose creationist nonsense. Over 12,500 signatures so far.

Here's the link if you want to sign it.

Kilgore89
Male, 18-29, Canada
 194 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:40:50 PM
@Rodin

Ontario. But to be clear it's not taught as fact per se. It's taught as "It is fact that there are some faiths who believe in creationism." The concept is taught as a theory that some people believe but not as something that is scietific fact.

I remember doing it when we looked at world cultures. We learned creation stories from different religions and cultures within the frame of 'Canada is diverse and there are people living here with these beliefs but we all get along anyways'.

What I am trying to get at is that it was taught completely separately from evolution and the two were never presented as conflicting. Like math and geography are completely different things.

aroc91
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 173 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 12:06:56 PM
@Denogginizer

"Yes, ban this. The last thing we want is diversity of thought and the ability for the kids to decide for them selves!"

When one option is patently wrong, it has no business being taught anywhere.




soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1484 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:51:27 AM
All religions are just CLUBS and I am not a club joiner

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3613 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:31:47 AM
"The last thing we want is diversity of thought and the ability for the kids to decide for them selves!"

Creation stems from religion which teaches people to NOT think for themselves, just do as they say.

The problem here is that those who teach creation deny evolution which is backed by something called EVIDENCE and FACTS. They say ignore the facts and just take our word for it, an invisible sky wizard created everything that exists in the universe and Satan planted dinosaur bones/fossils in the ground to trick us into believing that God didn't create the Earth in 7 days.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 537 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:30:31 AM
@Kilgore -- Where do you live in Canada. In my part of Canada they would never teach creationism as a factual idea.

Pope John Paul II said that evolution was a scientific fact and if the bible didn't support it , then we as humans were misinterpreting the scripture. (I'm paraphrasing)

Denogginizer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 744 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:20:48 AM
Yes, ban this. The last thing we want is diversity of thought and the ability for the kids to decide for them selves!

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2181 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 11:00:36 AM
As others have pointed out, Superfluous petition is Superfluous.

Although WH staff, apparently not knowing how teh interwebz work used a ridiculously low numerical threshold for answering any inanity that arrived only half baked on their doorstep. Which is why earlier on the WH had to issue a winking response to another request, for a real working Deathstar (seriously).

whirlygirl
Female, 30-39, Canada
 226 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:57:30 AM
Why is this even a thing???

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:44:25 AM
Oh, ok. I see. From the Huffington article:

"And while religious teachings have no place in public school science classrooms according to current federal statutes, not all states are following that line intently. A school district in Ohio attracted controversy last month when it considered a proposal that would allow its schools to discuss controversial topics, including creationism, in its classrooms."

Kilgore89
Male, 18-29, Canada
 194 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:31:35 AM
In Canada we teach evolution in science class and creationism in social sciences. Evolution is taught as the best understanding that the scientific method can provide. Creationism is taught as the understanding that people believe on religious grounds and is not limited to the Christian Genesis (we expose kids to multiple faiths and Native beliefs).

In neither situation is one or the other position declared "wrong" and by teaching both views in appropriate situations students are taught hard science, exposed to a diversity of culture, and how the world works and how a diverse range of beliefs can be accommodated in society without casting negative judgement on others.

Exposing kids to a diversity of views in context also allows them to make up their own mind about what they believe rather than having someone on one side or the other of an argument tell them how to think.

inaria
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:29:40 AM
It's really depressing that there was need to create a petition in the first place...

America is really behind the rest of the world in their respect towards science.

I went to a Catholic highschool and even my biology teacher there explained creationism only as something that exists, not something to be thought of as fact.

Crabes
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1049 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:28:42 AM
YEs please ban this poo up

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4333 Posts
Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:23:48 AM
White House can only ban this in Public School, where it is already illegal to teach creationism.

Private School is out of its purview. (which will not stop it from trying..it's already set its sights on the Catholic Church.)

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