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10 Richest People In The World

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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14389 Posts
Monday, June 17, 2013 10:03:42 PM
HG, those data are all over the place. I don't see how anyone can pull a trend out of that mess. Also, what does pre-K enrollment rates have to do with anything except to skew the results with irrelevant data? Also, they left out a LOT of other factors besides money that affect student performance.

Basically, all you've done is prove my point: there is at best a weak correlation between spending and outcome. Also, statewide averages don't do anything to support your argument, since spending and policies are set at the district level.

Armus
Male, 30-39, S. America
 52 Posts
Monday, June 17, 2013 1:37:26 AM
Ka-shing! His name is perfect for him.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:39:38 AM
Think of how much mental effort has been wasted in debates on this website.

Ha - for the win. Seriously though, I'm surrounded by libertarians and it's no fun trying to debate politics or economics with people who always agree with you.

Ozmose
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 4:30:14 AM
These guys aren't even close to being the richest in the world.
We're not allowed to know their names.

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4617 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:19:24 AM
The great thing about rich people having lots of money is that they need clothes, food, transport etc.
In fact all of the stuff that makes their lives better we can make and sell to them for lots of dosh, and make our lives better.
There is no point in being able to wipe your arse with a $100 bill, if you haven't eaten anything in the first place.

som-tam
Male, 18-29, Asia
 652 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:54:11 AM
these list always make me think back to when pablo escabar was on it and listed as making his money in 'real estate' or something like that. How do you get to be the richest man in the world by selling mobile phones to mexicans? hmmmmmmm?

Neoptolemos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 566 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:06:48 AM
Anybody else found it hilarious that #8 is called Ka-Shing ?!

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4266 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 11:22:40 PM
this may be a fairly simplistic website, mostly filled with pubesent males wanting to see posts about bewbs, but at least the fact that we do enter into debates about rather serious issues means there is some hope for humanity. As for all the 'debate' I dont see how any person can defend rich people, 99% of them DO NOT help out fellow humans in any way, and do EXTREME amounts of damage and actually help people become more desperate and poor. I feel this forum, which limits one to 1000 letters, is a rather difficult place to really debate such a huge topic without looking like a spamming nincompoop, so I wont bother, but let me sum up the 10,000 word I could write on this subject with this simple statement...stop being so f ucking stupid.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:11:30 PM
Andrew155

"Think of how much mental effort has been wasted in debates on this website."

Hahaha. I have to do it online. Otherwise I'd want to get into political / philosophical / economic / religious debates with people in my real life and most people don't find that s.hit NEARLY as entertaining as I do.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:02:10 PM
Think of how much mental effort has been wasted in debates on this website.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:57:15 PM
OldOllie

"If you go to Republican-run cities with non-union schools, they're perfectly fine, thank you."

Oh so go to a Republican run area and the schools are better right?

Funny how the BOTTOM in education is always Republican strongholds like Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, etc.

Funnier how the TOP schools are libertarded places like Vermont, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Maryland, etc.

I'm certain that is just coincidence....

Here is some reading:
tinyurl.com/8klulhw

Compare the two charts. They are color coded. I'm sure you'll see a pattern.


HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:27:05 PM
@CreamK

Getting rid of minimum wage will create slaves, not freedom.

Economists tend to agree that the minimum wage both increased unemployment and decreased the standard of living.

Also, regarding freedom, I do not think it means what you think it means. Instead, it appears you are confusing it with equality. You cannot have both.

In fact, a minimum wage law is the opposite of freedom. Quite literally, it forces employers to pay no less that some dollar value. They are no longer free to pay any wage they wish. See? - Not freedom.

Also, I've given a logical explanation on how government programs have essentially created a slave class in the US (I can provide more examples upon request). I await one from you.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:23:45 PM
@CreamK

You no doubt think that giving everything to the free market will magically create new jobs.

I do not believe in magic.

It doesn't work that way.

This isn't an argument - it's simply saying "nuh-uh!"

If you don't tax, someone is pocketing more profit.

I'm not against taxation.

It will NEVER benefit the least fortunate

Neither will taxation.

You wouldn't be in this mess if big corps couldn't avoid a lionshare of their responsibilities.

Hardly in a "mess"... best economy in the world.

They are not in a business of making people live better lives

Yes they are - that's the only way to sell product.

they are there to make money with any means necessary

Overly dramatic much? I've yet to see an ice cream shop bust down someone's door and steal from them in the name of prof

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14389 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 8:09:22 PM
If you don't tax, someone is pocketing more profit. It will NEVER benefit the least fortunate.

I think you just won the liberal f***tard post of the day with that one. Where in the hell did you learn economics, from Brittany Spears album liner notes? What do you think these "evil rich" people do with those profits, fill a room with $100 bills and wallow in it naked? No, they invest it in things like expanding their business to create more useful products and services and more jobs, they start or invest in new companies, they put it in banks making it available for loans to people to buy homes and cars or to expand or start their own businesses.

When government takes that money through taxation, though, the lion's share of it goes to rent-seekers, i.e., it is either wasted or consumed with nothing to show for it afterwards, or it is used in ways that actively harm the economy and reduce our standard of living.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14389 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:56:26 PM
A poor kid gets a poor education because schools are based on property tax.

Complete, utter, unmitigated bull$#!+. Some of our nation's worst performing school districts have the highest per-pupil funding. The District of Columbia spent the most per pupil at $18,687, the highest in the nation, and their schools totally suck dead donkey dicks. NOBODY who lives there sends their kids to public school if they can possibly afford not to.

The problem isn't funding. The reason our schools are complete crap is due entirely to two factors: Democrats and teachers unions. If you go to Republican-run cities with non-union schools, they're perfectly fine, thank you.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1144 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:11:24 PM
HumanAction@ "I think that leaving the money in the economy will ultimately raise the standard of living for poor people henceforth. " One question, how will it help the poor?

You no doubt think that giving everything to the free market will magically create new jobs. It doesn't work that way. If you don't tax, someone is pocketing more profit. It will NEVER benefit the least fortunate.. You wouldn't be in this mess if big corps couldn't avoid a lionshare of their responsibilities. They are not in a business of making people live better lives, they are there to make money with any means necessary.

Getting rid of minimum wage will create slaves, not freedom.

handimanner
Male, 60-69, Western US
 1853 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:29:14 PM
2 Koch Bros = 1 Bill Gates, so forces of good are balanced by forces of evil - assuming here that Windows is a good thing. Luckily, Warren Buffet tilts the universe again to the + side, likewise anyone who makes teeny-weenie bikinis, so I guess all may be right with the world.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:57:39 PM
@HolyGod

Don't get where you are going.

I'm saying that, if someone lacks skills equivalent to minimum wage, then they will never be hired. If they are never hired, then they will never have the opportunity to acquire the skills necessary to get hired.

While imposing a minimum wage absolutely, without a doubt, helps some people (those who make minimum wage), it condemns others (those with skills less valuable to minimum wage - such as many disabled people) to economic stagnation forever.

Now, perhaps their skills are worth 3$ an hour and they decided to take the job. In time, they will begin acquiring skills worth more than 3$ an hour. They've literally had the opportunity to advance their economic value. With minimum wage, they never get such an opportunity.

I'm not condoning paying someone 3$ an hour; rather, I'm merely pointing out how the system condemns people.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:51:43 PM
@HolyGod

You have to admit that without GOVERNMENT and TAXES that poor child would get NO education which is certainly worse than the one they are getting.

No - that's skirting the entire point.

You think that taking money out of the economy (at least, turning production capital into net zero) and giving it to poor people will help them most. I think that leaving the money in the economy will ultimately raise the standard of living for poor people henceforth.

It's like the "give a man a fish, or teach a man to fish" saying. Simply throwing money at the problem will never make it go away; actually, it will most likely doom the recipients to the same standard of living in the future. Instead, I simply suggest that leaving the money in the economy and letting it grow will have a greater net positive effect on ALL poor people.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:45:08 PM
@HolyGod

Definitely. I think you have WAY more faith in people than I do.

I don't think so. You trust that the people in the government will do the right thing. I trust that the average middle-class American will do the right thing. I'd think my view would be commonplace.

Can you imagine how well educated our children would be if schools got half the amount of money defense got?

If the past is any indication, it wouldn't improve much if any. It has been shown that, regardless of the amount of money thrown at public schools, quality does not improve at the same rate. For example, charter schools continuously outperform public schools with significantly less funding.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:40:30 PM
HumanACtion

"I'd suggest that a poor black child will most likely get a poor education from public schools."

Sure. I'd LOVE to fix schools. Can you imagine how well educated our children would be if schools got half the amount of money defense got?

A poor kid gets a poor education because schools are based on property tax. Fix that by making schools federally funded and every school gets the same amount per child. Then the inner city school / suburban school schism would disappear.

You have to admit that without GOVERNMENT and TAXES that poor child would get NO education which is certainly worse than the one they are getting.

"How does this help the poor unskilled person? It doesn't."

Don't get where you are going. Walmart pays some employees $7.25 an hour because it is the lowest they legally can. If the law wasn't there they would pay them less, maybe $5 or even $3. So how does the law NOT help those people?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:35:01 PM
HumanAction

"I think the difference here between the two of us comes down to our expectations of people."

Definitely. I think you have WAY more faith in people than I do.

You think people will donate more money to charity if taxes are lowered and thus poor people will do better. I think if taxes were eliminated donations to charity would PLUMMET because they wouldn't be doing it for tax breaks anymore and caviar purchases would skyrocket.

I think most people are incredibly selfish and SOME wealth has to be forcibly redistributed by taxes or there are people who wouldn't be able to survive.

"you've suggested before that we have a 1-time wealth tax; just once,"

Well...

1. It was totally hypothetical just for debate.

2. It wasn't just once, it was ongoing anytime your liquid assets got over $1B.

" there is no such check on power for the government"

Absolutely. Should be.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:31:36 PM
@HolyGod

It's my opinion that governmental programs actually prevent poor people from advancing. While they may provide temporary relief, they ultimately reinforce class division.

Consider public education; I think we can all agree that a well educated population is a good thing. Has that been the outcome though? I certainly don't think so.

I'd suggest that a poor black child will most likely get a poor education from public schools. When they graduate, they will be less likely to have the skills to go to college or attain a high-paying job.

Now, consider the minimum wage law. How does this help the poor unskilled person? It doesn't. They've often graduated (or not) with so few skills that their time is not worth such a wage. Now, they will not be hired and have no ability to gain those skills - minimum wage laws ensure it.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:24:23 PM
@HolyGod

I think the difference here between the two of us comes down to our expectations of people.

For example, you've suggested before that we have a 1-time wealth tax; just once, collect some percent of wealth from the rich and redistribute it. The difference is that I believe that is impossible; the temptation to do so again (and again and again) is inescapable.

I view people, especially those with power, as corruptible; this applies to charity as well as government. The difference, though, is that one can be "punished" while the other cannot.

If a charity becomes corrupt, people will stop sending them money. The damage done is limited and another charity takes its place. On the other hand, there is no such check on power for the government.

Other than a small minority of programs, I cannot think of any government programs that have been retracted - even when shown ineffective.

Burgh
Male, 40-49, Western US
 292 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:13:52 PM
I suppose its a matter of semantics. The minimum you might be willing to see your children live with likely still exceeds the wildest dreams of a large percentage of the population. If you and your children are bright and able, the very process of generating wealth makes wealth for all around you. Leaving those bright children with capital to enrich dullards lives may be the greatest of mercies. Many dullards squander wealth. You might find it to humanities best interest to pass on great wealth to your offspring. Teach them well in generosity.

We see a few people that seem to not do well with their wealth. I think we are much healthier and able to understand our world now than our forefathers. Without the luxury of wealth most all advances would not be made. Luxury and wealth, most advances in technology, are to defeat the terror of poverty.

If I have a spendthrift selfish git he will inherit little or nothing from this father. Peace and prosperity to you and yours

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