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Tipping In The US: Should It Be Banned?

Hits: 6202 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: LemonCurry
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LemonCurry
Male, 40-49, Asia
 1029 Posts
Monday, June 17, 2013 6:40:31 AM
interestingly, japan is taking the lead again.

and honestly, if no tipping works fine here in this country (japan), where you get great service at the exact price indicated on the menu, why can't it work elsewhere?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Monday, June 17, 2013 6:05:40 AM
]quote]It's a way of keeping the peasants in check by ensuring that they can't rely on having even the minimum necessary to live on


Said the pleb who pays tax to support royalty that's pretty funny! Good servers at a good establishment make above living wage I was one in college. If you want to see how motivated minimum wage workers are look at McDonalds employees is that what you'd want in a server?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13477 Posts
Monday, June 17, 2013 6:02:02 AM
What I see is cheap f**ks making excuses to be cheap f**ks AKA European...

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:21:30 PM
lauriloo-"Never had any kids, never even got married so if I was paid less, it's truly BS."

Kudos for the hard work, but there are many reasons for differences in pay, both ways.

You have to take into account hard work, ability, overtime, sickness, seniority, personality, education, plus much more.

In the past I've worked the same job-type for two different companies: Chemist.

At one company there were 10 of us with identical jobs. Everyone; male, female, black, white, korean etc, got paid the exact same base wage. I, on average, made $20,000 more a year than one of the ladies simply because she never worked overtime and I never turned it down. (and she thought that this was somehow 'unfair'.)

At the other there were 8 of us with identical jobs. Everyone made a different base wage, but it was based specifically on seniority. Most of the ladies made more than I did, a few made less.

NONE of the differences were based on

kangoala
Male, 18-29, Australia
 702 Posts
Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:11:58 AM
HAd the same thing happen to me in New York. After five minutes of unpleasant noise amounting to my tip being 'not enough' I insisted that they give me my 15% back.

Oh yeah, this was at a burger joint with table service for (non-alcoholic) drinks only.

You want a tip? Earn it.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:20:13 PM
well, since no one is supposed to talk about how much they make, it's pretty hard for me to know for sure. All I know is, I worked AT LEAST as hard as any man. Never had any kids, never even got married so if I was paid less, it's truly BS.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:43:16 PM
lauriloo-"I knew stupid engineers "

It's the rare engineer that's not stupid, but that's another discussion.

lauriloo-"since they were male, I'm pretty sure they made more than I for the same job"

If you can prove that, you have a lawsuit.

If you can't, you have biased speculation. (I'm guessin the latter).

And don't trot out that 'women make 73 cent for every dollar men make' fallacy. That's a flawed comparrison that does not compare men and women in the same job, nor does it take into account the different job types and choices the sexes then to take.


lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:26:56 PM
"In order to pay it's entire staff what you consider a 'living wage', the prices would increase to the point where customers would rather go TO the buffet, and the restaurant would close. "

Seems to work fine everywhere else in the world... Since I always pay about 20% tip, raising the meal price 15% overall with no tipping would be a great deal for me. The only people who might complain are the cheap bastards who don't tip and they shouldn't go to nice restaurants if they are that cheap.

"I know one restaurant that pays all of it's staff a living wage, plus they get tips. The service is exceptional, the atmosphere great and the food equisite. Of course, the bill ends up being approximately $150-$200 per person"

Prove that extra cost is due to extra wages and not just glamour pricing.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:19:23 PM
"It's just like any job: If you're a good electrical engineer, you make better money than someone who doesn't. "

Not necessarily. When I was a chemical engineer, I knew stupid engineers and, since they were male, I'm pretty sure they made more than I for the same job. There are MANY reasons people make more money that have nothing to do with their skills.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:11:12 PM
lauriloo-"Bringing the people their food in a sit-down restaurant isn't a crucial hard-work job deserving of a living wage?"

If you're good at serving people, it"s very possible to make a living wage as waitstaff.

If you're not, you're probably not going to.

It's just like any job: If you're a good electrical engineer, you make better money than someone who doesn't.

laurilool-"If they don't want to pay a living wage they should make it a buffet."

You miss the point. In order to pay it's entire staff what you consider a 'living wage', the prices would increase to the point where customers would rather go TO the buffet, and the restaurant would close.

I know one restaurant that pays all of it's staff a living wage, plus they get tips. The service is exceptional, the atmosphere great and the food equisite. Of course, the bill ends up being approximately $150-$200 per person and we only eat there on VERY spe

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:14:50 PM
"Sorry, not all jobs contribute enough to the profits of the business to warrent a living wage. "

Seriously? Bringing the people their food in a sit-down restaurant isn't a crucial hard-work job deserving of a living wage? If they don't want to pay a living wage they should make it a buffet.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:37:34 AM
madduck-"pay people a living wage FFS"

Sorry, not all jobs contribute enough to the profits of the business to warrent a living wage.

I realize it's a radical concept, but you actually have to EARN your wages.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 7:32:49 AM
dm2754-"who tips Taxis?"

Me. At a minimum I round up the next $5 bill. More if he does a good job (nice trip, no crappy driving).

jaysingrimm-" I work as a doorman"

From my viewpoint:
Opening a door does not warrent a tip.
Hailing me a cap warrents a tip.
Answering any questions (i.e. 'Hey, where's a good italian place?') warrents a tip.

Basically, anything over and above performing the basic duties of your job probably warrents a tip. The more you go our of your way, and the nicer you are, the more generous I will be.

baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
 162 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:41:37 AM
why? I mean if the judges and politicians can get bribes, why can't teh average waitress?

Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2855 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 4:28:42 AM
Not banned, simply discouraged. It's a stupid practice that hurts everybody.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5851 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:58:54 AM
Why ban it- pay people a living wage FFS... then if a customer gets outstanding service they can tip. Coming from a country where we do not tip everyone it is confusing and difficult. Between tipping and bloody sales tax I don't spend a great deal when I am over there because is is too complicated to bother with.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 411 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:55:21 AM
I work as a doorman at a chain of popular restaurants/bars. There once was a time (long ago) when people would actually tip a doorman for things like opening doors, hailing taxis and such. While I have been tipped a handful of times over my 12 year career, it just doesn't happen so often nowadays. The establishment does obviously pay a reasonable wage with this in mind, but then I'm only scheduled an average of 18 hours a week! I've worked hard to provide excellent service, my team having won an award from a popular website. We have kept the establishments safe from liability. We have had an outstanding record/relationship with the governing agencies. We have kept the people safe...and yet, fighting for a raise is always a tedious experience.

Taking away tips from service staff will NOT make things better. Restaurants WILL cut hours. They WILL raise prices of food and beverages to compensate. Did you know it's common for service staff to tip out the house?

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:40:10 AM
who tips Taxis?

mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2278 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 8:56:34 PM
Have you people really thought about the consequences of banning tipping?

Tipping is a tax shelter for the servers. They are 'paid' less than minimum wage. They are 'required' to report their tip income for tax purposes. I guarantee 99% of servers report just enough to hit minimum wage. The rest is tax free.

So, banning tipping would mean the employer has to make up the difference, which really means you, the consumer, makes up the difference. PLUS the tax amount on the servers FULL income. You will either pay more (i.e. bill + tip + server's income tax), or the server makes less. NOBODY WINS!

...except the tax man. Don't ban tipping.

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 586 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 7:15:46 PM
let them make the same as everyone else. no one should be penalized for having a bad day. if they suck at their job then people will definitely let management know not to mention secret shoppers. im not saying that they should not get tips, if they do a fantastic job show them. the best argument i herd was from the oatmeal, theoatmeal.com/comics/tipping_tooting

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 985 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 4:15:01 PM
Banning is retarded... but then again so are mandatory tips... no tips for anyone unless its warranted.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 4:00:13 PM
MeGrendel, you're misinterpreting my point. I was arguing against people who implied that a tip is inherently demeaning. I was saying that the general etiquette surrounding a tip is designed so that it doesn't rub the "class issue" in anybody's face. I realize there are extenuating circumstances to this, as you've outlined, which don't necessarily make anybody feel bad. I'm just saying that it's done the way it is for a reason.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 3:53:03 PM
DuckBoy87-"75% of the time..."

I have no set system. I am a great tipper. The 20% is a reference point only. I've given a $20 tip on a $19 bill. I've given a $100 tip on a $200 bill. It all depends if the waitperson made our visit worth it.

On the other hand, in a case of horrible service I've left 2 cents. I also got a cook fired for attempting to serve me re-heated food and being an asswipe when I confronted him about it.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4668 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 3:49:01 PM
DrProfessor-"You're not supposed to be demeaning about the giving of a tip."

Giving, or receiving, a tip is in no way demeaning. If a wait-person thinks it is, they have the wrong attitude for the job and need to find another.

DrProfessor-"That way you're not making a show of giving it to them and emphasizing that you're in a position of power."

There have been times where I personally tracked down a waitress and gave her a tip. Why? Because she was not 'our' waitress, but served us because 'our' waitress was goofing off. If I had left it on the table, 'our' waitress would have gotten it, not the person who made the visit pleasurable. PLUS, I pointed out to the management that 'our' waitress did a crappy job and in no way could lay claim to ANY of the tip I gave the other girl.

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2685 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 3:43:29 PM
75% of the time, I tip between 10-15% (depending on how well the rounding works out) for a satisfactory service.
14% of the time, I tip 15-25% for an excellent service.

There have been only once or twice where I went to a restaurant and the service was so poor that I tipped the 0% to whatever pocket change I'd be getting back.

Tipping can be stupid and unnecessary, but I like to inform my server that they performed poorly.

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