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Hero Treated Like A Villain [Pic]

Hits: 10057 | Rating: (3.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Sweepofdeath
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andromeda33
Female, 18-29, Canada
 51 Posts
Friday, June 14, 2013 8:36:53 AM
this man, without a doubt is a hero. It's not just the US that is getting spied on, but because of social networks, everyone is subject to it. We need more people that are willing to risk their lives and their safety to expose the frauds that are elected into government.

CynicalGamer
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 441 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:31:14 PM
If you call him a villain then "I" think your definition needs revisited. There is this antiquated and wrong view of patriotism drilled into us by the Govt. It's right up there with the glamorizing of war in order to get citizens to sign up. It is a concept that we are indebted to and owe our lives to our country regardless of its decisions. This man, he saw something that should not be happening and he told the rest of us about it so that we could be better informed.
Think about all the promises politicians make then reverse on. I am sure a lot of that is because of things they feel they "can't" tell us for our own good. We are voting on these people based not on their merit or actions but their presentation style and media spin.
Of course some will disagree with me, that is fine. I just wanted to say my piece.

pmarren
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:55:26 AM
The guy did what he was compelled to do. Like what he did or don't, the dude's got huge balls.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 566 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:54:40 AM
I come down firmly on both sides of the fence on this one. I'll call him a "Traithero". Some things I've read paint him with quite the sordid past as he apparently has trouble keeping his pants on. That said, I can't tell if he's crazy or crazy like a fox. If he survives this he'll make a lot more than $200,000 a year off book and film rights.

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:39:42 AM
or being very stupid and wanting the terrorists to plot at peace

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4387 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:35:05 AM
When he finally gets to court he will be able to plead insanity.
(After leaving that behind he must be mad)

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13217 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:23:19 AM
HE'S A VILLERO!!

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1801 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:23:25 AM
(cont)

But I don't understand, how do you see it as counterproductive to kill him? There is no grandstanding, no trial, no public outcry for his innocence, no more secrets leaked, and no money spent to house him for the rest of his life, and thats just what i can think of off the top of my head. Same reasons they chose to kill and not capture Osama Bin Laden, except this time they may not choose to take credit for it afterwards. Just let him disappear without a trace, or frame a rival nation, or false suicide, or a lone gunman. They've tried all those things before even to people in the publics eye (especially in South America). We know of the ones that were botched and some that were successful.

Not to mention, there is already legal precedence that an American citizens can be targeted for assassination, especially if they think that any of the information he knows could pose an "imminent" threat to the United States or aid Al-Qaeda in some way.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1801 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:19:02 AM
@piperfawn: Firstly, I'm not enraged at the government at all, I think its a breach of privacy to monitor everyones data, but that our fault as a nation, it is to always be expected from government. We elected the people who authorized it, in both parties, we are to blame.

I think its a very good thing that the CIA does not care about public opinion, that isn't their purpose, their purpose is to gather intelligence, analyzing it, and using it to keep us safe.
Its true that hiding his identity wouldn't completely make it impossible to identify him, but it would sure be a lot better than saying "it's me and I'm in this city, of a rival country, with tons of your secrets, I'm leaking them and plan to leak more, and I'm trying to go this country and I'll leave an evidence trail so you can verify it all" I mean he's doing all of their work for them, next he'll probably send them a list of his daily routines, allergies, and fears.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2819 Posts
Thursday, June 13, 2013 4:37:06 AM
@CrakrJak

It's a rare and wonderful day when your view and my view lines up 100%.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3797 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:47:19 PM
richanddead your public opinion seems more enraged with the government than with this guy. Killing him, especialy now that he is at "open air", would be only counterproductive for the government.In my opinion stayng hidden don't grant you any chance of survive specialy if you have CIA and FBI seeking you. This man most propbably is a dead man walking allready and he allready knows it. He just decided to play open face with his destiny,maybe this decision will give him more chance to survive or just more time.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:35:36 PM
One of my Colleagues at Columbia University in East Asian studies says there is a lot of evidence that he may have been bought off by the Chinese, explaining the strange irony of someone fleeing to China because of civil liberty violations.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16866 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:05:13 PM
Neither hero or traitor. I hope that any one of us with a conscience would expose unconstitutional government intrusion/abuse of power.

Saying, "I was just following orders" is not a defense for perpetrating or covering up a crime. I'm guessing people have forgotten about the Nuremberg trials already.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:51:23 PM
"He stunk schitt out the back door like a thief...which technically it is stealing"

Leaking secret information is not the same as stealing. We're not talking about proprietary information. We're talking about classified information, which is a totally different thing.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:42:56 PM
@Gerry1of1-
He could have made an anonymous leak and protected himself entirely. He is facing his choice publicly- he's just not doing it on US soil. He's willing to face extradition from Hong Kong in their court system, and while that's a safer bet than standing trial in the US, it's no guarantee he won't be extradited and have to serve time. Don't care about who dumped who- not really important, which is why this graphic is kinda dumb.

YANKmyDOODLE
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 774 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:40:54 PM
he's in a better place now anyways

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1801 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:35:07 PM
@piperfawn: other than him being assassinated, which is still a real possibility, how is it a good way to protect himself? The CIA really doesn't care if they look bad, they are not a involved in politics. If they kill him, which they actually have the ability under the law to do, then they will just say he was a threat to America. Even if they don't go all the way to killing him, he will most likely be imprisoned for most if not all of his life. And thats only if our government gets him, if a country like China or Russia get him, they will force him to give up information, either with offers of asylum or secret interrogation. And then the CIA will still continue to go after him. He's screwed.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:18:14 PM

"a person doesn't face the kind of heat he's facing for fame and fortune"

He didn't "face" anything. He leaked it. He stunk schitt out the back door like a thief...which technically it is stealing. A "hero" makes the moral choice and faces it publicly... he's just a traitor. Even if he uncovered 1 thing by accident that should come to light, it does not excuse the how-many-thousand classified documents he gave away.

And he didn't leave anything, the bitch dumped him.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4158 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:09:25 PM
He told us, a) something we already knew (unless we *seriously* weren't paying attention, and, b) something that wasn't illegal under the Patriot Act.

You can call him a hero. I call him an idiot.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:03:04 PM
I agree with his cause, but does anyone else have a problem with him fleeing to China? Yes Hong Kong is different, but it's less free than the place he fled from. And he's talking to the Chinese media (i.e. Chinese government) about our lack of freedoms, which is kind of ironic. He should've fled to Europe, Ecuador or another free and/or friendly country, not our biggest geopolitical enemy that is ironically the antithesis of the cause he is trying to promote.

Mad_Gremlyn
Male, 18-29, Western US
 418 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 4:00:08 PM
When I saw those pole dancing vids I was shocked at how hot this guy's gal is! But, he's arguably more liberal than conservative and so he'll never be called a hero or patriotic because the loser right has co-opted these terms and made them meaningless.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:53:36 PM
@Gerry1of1-
Yes, it is, but it still conveys a basic truth- a person doesn't face the kind of heat he's facing for fame and fortune. Whether or not any individual agrees ethically with what he did, he did it because he believed that what he did was the right thing to do. That in and of itself doesn't make it right or wrong, but I think it's pretty clear his motives were altruistic.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 3:01:03 PM

Well that's whitewashing it, isn't it.

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3797 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:52:06 PM
richanddead revealing his identity could be a good way to protect himself. From now on everything bad happens to him will make secret services or people that chase him guilty for that. If he stay undercover is an easy prey.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1801 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:43:44 PM
I thought he was only making $122,000 per year. Anyways, I feel the government is going over the line and he was right to reveal that part, yet I don't think he should have revealed his identity. Maybe contact a special whistleblower lawyer just in case and keep his head down.

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