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The Best Explanation Of God And Religion

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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23949 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:07:58 PM
@Essersmith: Oh, I'm not saying @Draculya is "wrong" but he isn't using "logic" eh?
Humanism does not "preclude or exclude" the existence of God. (afaik!) You can be a humanist with or without faith in a higher power. (IMHO)

@simbha: *nod nod* Yes, by definition, you are correct. @Wendypants too!

@papajon0s1: Yeah, that explanation makes better sense than "burning" but again it's very difficult for us humans to understand what life "with or without God" would be like.
Afterlife I mean...

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 541 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:43:22 AM
Interesting reading the comments here; seems there are a lot of theology majors out there! :) I've been a Catholic my entire life and I claim no great all-knowing knowledge of the Good Book. Seems to me everyone has there own version; I bet if you asked both Pope Francis and Benedict they'd each give you a different answer! I think that's why Catholics believe in "one church" That means ultimately, wherever you are at in how you view God, you are still welcomed as part of the unity between God and man. Yes. regardless of your religion or if you believe or not. A Catholic priest (now a Bishop) once likened the next life to one of two options, heaven is next life with God, and hell (or whatever you want to call it) is the next life without. Given those two options, yeah, uh, I'll go with the former.

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 938 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:32:22 AM
An example: Identical twins, both living exactly the same lives, making the same moral decisions, on believes in god the other doesn't. Other one goes to hell, the other one doesn't. What is the logic there? How is that just? And don't give me that "gods ways are blaa blaa" crap, if a human being can not understand why he is being punished, someone hasn't explain the rules very well. If you don't know the rules, how are you suppose to play the game?

You can't call a free choice if you held a gun on o mans head, do this or i'll shoot you in the foot for ten years. It's a choice just not a free choice.

Hell has always been about control, bible does not mention such a place for humans (satan gets thrown in to the firey pit, which makes a LOT more sense), Jesus never said anything even remotely close to that concept.

80 years of slightly wrong lifestyle or wrong religion equals eternity of pain. Try to justify that.

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 2076 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:07:46 AM
@mike59271... what you wrote made me laugh soooo hard!!
'Heaven/Hell is not about punishment/rewards.'
Really? If you're good/worship God, you go to heaven AS A REWARD; if you don't, you go to hell as PUNISHMENT. Any time I've read the bible or gone to church this is what I've been told. (One down... two to go...)
'It is about a free decision made by all of us to be with or without God.' Yeah, I LOVE God's version of free choice! God SAYS it's our choice (according to the bible) but always remember that if you don't choose him, he'll punish you for eternity!! ... not really a choice there, man.
'Seems like he's taking a pretty big leap of faith based on very little evidence...'
THAT IS the basis of religions... faith without evidence.

simbha
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 412 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 6:05:37 AM
mike59271: Seems like he's taking a pretty big leap of faith based on very little evidence...


Definitional?

Essersmith
Male, 18-29, Europe
 273 Posts
Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:56:46 AM
@5Cats
"@Draculya: Wrong! There's no "logic" in what you said! Just... none at all! Zero! Zip! Nada! Zilch! "

Not if youre religious theres not.

Isnt it the Whole basis of any religion that "gods truths" are Beyond human comprehension. If these truths were comprehendable we would have no further need for god as a diety or the given religion?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12882 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:25:00 PM
He sounds more like a Unitarian than an Episcopalian.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23949 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:11:17 PM
@mike59: He's not trying to describe Christianity (In My Humble Opinion!) he's describing how to worship God.
aka: Deism.
"God's Truths" are indeed beyond human comprehension. Surely ANY Christian will agree to that?
You make a fair point, but it's... misguided I think.

@FoolsPrussia: Correct.

@Draculya: Wrong! There's no "logic" in what you said! Just... none at all! Zero! Zip! Nada! Zilch!

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11473 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:49:09 PM
He's a humanist.

He just needs to take the next logical step and accept that there is no such thing as god

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 7:05:59 PM
@mike: He's not describing "Christianity" itself. He's describing the common interpretation many Christians have.

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 496 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:50:15 PM
@Mike59271 Jack Spong was ordaned in 1955 and was Bishop of Newark from 1979 to 2000. He's had a number of books published about Christian reform.

May be you're idea of Christianity and religion is wrong.

mike59271
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 8 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:31:57 PM
This guy isn't even remotely close to accuratly describing Christianity.

Heaven/Hell is not about punishment/rewards. It is about a free decision made by all of us to be with or without God. Hell is not about God punishing us for not being good. It is about us rejecting communion with God, and as such he gives us what we want. Likewise, Heaven is not about reward but God fulfilling his promise when he invited us into communion with him.

Not to mention that he made lofty claims that "God's truth cannot be bound by human systems or books", really? How would you know that for sure? Seems like he's taking a pretty big leap of faith based on very little evidence...

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33882 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:59:09 PM

No one to blame for your life but yourself?

That'll never catch on.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23949 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:48:08 PM
Nice! Highly "Deistic" in approach, which sits well with me.

As for the afterlife: I have seen the Pit Of The Abyss and it's a nasty place. I have NO IDEA if God has anything to do with it, nor did I see any "Devils". But there it was.
I've also looked into The Void. It's not nearly as scary as The Pit...

@Cartunze: You don't mind paying admission to a GOOD movie, right? So voluntarily giving money to some organization because you agree with them isn't like "give money to the church or you'll burn in hell!!!" eh?

Even "true stories" are part "Fairy Tale" and humans just LOVE a good story.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4768 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:39:49 PM
Guy is fantastic. I've watched lots of his speeches.

Check out www.livingthequestions.com they create DVDs for progressive religious discussion.

They use Spong in a lot of their videos along with Marcus Borg, John Dominic Crossan and others.

Cartunze
Male, 60-69, Western US
 826 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:25:15 PM
Wow. This guy sounds great. What a better philosophy! How can I join and who do I give my money to?

D'oh! Caught myself just in time. Religion is about controlling people, sure. But it is also about the money. As nice as he makes it sound, it is still fairy tales for money.

Listypoos
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2484 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:56:42 PM
"Religion is always in the control business and that's something that people don't really understand"

I think the people that don't generally understand that are the ones that are caught up in it all. e.g. The controlled.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:46:14 PM
Bishop Spong is great. You guys should check out more of his videos.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5182 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:33:50 PM
This is the view of the vicars I know- and most of the Christians. Which is why I get annoyed when all religious people get labelled and nasty and intolerant!

Rodin
Male, 30-39, Canada
 496 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:24:11 PM
This guy is Bishop Jack Spong. He wrote, among other books, "Why Christianity must Change or Die". He "retired" in 2000.

Tupinambis
Male, 18-29, Western US
 566 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:20:35 PM
Smart man

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5182 Posts
Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:06:33 PM
Link: The Best Explanation Of God And Religion [Rate Link] - If all religious people were like this guy...


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