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The Ultimate White House Scandal Matrix [Pic+]

Hits: 6442 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: ElectricEye
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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Tuesday, May 28, 2013 1:56:50 PM
I was talking about invading Libya, not the terror attack at Benghazi. Sorry - I wasn't clear on that.

Benghazi is a whole different can of worms!

In the Libya Invasion: Obama claimed that Gaddafi was going to massacre civilians if he captured a rebel-held city. That was essentially the ONLY reason he gave publicly for the invasion, but we all know it was ONLY about Britain and France wanting OIL, correct?

But between the time Obama said that, and the time the invasion started? Loyalist forces DID capture that city... and did NOT massacre anyone. So the "pretext" for invasion was: a lie!

For Iraq II there were LOTS of valid reasons to invade AND the USA was already getting the oil! The loony-left claim it was "all about oil" is just stupid...

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Monday, May 27, 2013 11:44:54 AM
"3: Did Obama have the OK of the UN?"

The CIA doesn't need UN approval either.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Monday, May 27, 2013 11:42:35 AM
"2: Did Obama have permission from the US House as required by the US Constitution?"

The CIA doesn't need permission from the House to do anything. The Intelligence Authorization Act that was put into place after the Iran-Contra clusterf*ck and requires the CIA to report on their secret/covert operations to Congress but does not require them to wait for approval to carry out an operation.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Monday, May 27, 2013 11:29:34 AM
"1: Did Obama lie about "preventing a massacre"?"

Let's start back at the beginning when the House Republicans voted to cut funding for US Embassy security. After word of the attack a seven member security team flew from Tripoli to Benghazi and upon landing they received word the attack was over and the diplomats were MIA. That's when the other Army SF Team in Tripoli was ordered to stand down, regardless of that no one would have made it there in time to save their lives.

Denogginizer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 820 Posts
Monday, May 27, 2013 10:54:18 AM
I'm sure this graph was compiled fairly and impartially. *cough*

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 4:59:13 PM
"...a bipartisan decision based on lies & deception..."

1: Did Bush KNOW they "were lies"? No.
2: Did the British, CIA or anyone else KNOW they were "lies"? No.
(Except Saddam! He knew he'd shipped all his WMD stuff into Syria, where Israel later blew it to Kingdom Radioactive Come!)
3: Did Bush get permission from the US House as required? Yes.
4: Did Bush have the OK from The UN to "enforce the articles of cease-fire"? Yes!

Obama in Libya:
1: Did Obama lie about "preventing a massacre"? Yes.
2: Did Obama have permission from the US House as required by the US Constitution? No.
3: Did Obama have the OK of the UN? No.

How about Bill Clinton:
1: Did he lie? Yes.
2: Did he lie under oath? Yes, & perjury is a Federal Felony.
3: Did he shake his finger at the US public and lie? Yes.
4: Did he lie about his mistress, Jennifer Flowers? Yes, but not und

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:39:55 AM
"Iraq was not a scandal. It was a bipartisan decision"

Yes, a bipartisan decision based on lies & deception from the Cheney/Rumsfeld administration. When discussing what was to be done after the 9/11 attacks it's alleged that Rumsfeld said, "There are no good targets in Afghanistan, let's bomb Iraq." They wanted to go into Iraq immediately and knew it wouldn't happen unless they straight up lied to Congress and mislead them to believe they were a greater threat.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:22:58 AM
randomxnp

"Obama's only notable achievements are all scandals"

Ya? Check the American economy. The scandal is f.ucking right wing crackpots like you that try to blow meaningless s.hit out of proportion instead of focusing on the fact that our country is better off in pretty much every way compared to when he took office. But oh, f.uck that, he had someone hold an umbrella for him. Impeach!


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:19:16 AM
randomxnp

"Iraq was not a scandal. It was a bipartisan decision, made on correct grounds"

If you don't think that Iraq was approved on lies then I don't think you know what you are talking about. Educate yourself: tinyurl.com/nbu7n4u

"Funny you not only discount 4 who died in Benghazi"

As I told AJ, that wasn't the "scandal". The "scandal" was that the administration said it was a spontaneous demonstration, not a terrorist attack and nobody died from that temporarily incorrect information as far as I know.

" fail to even mention Fast and Furious"

This is a "White House" scandal chart of events directly tied to presidents. Do you think Fast and Furious was directly tied to Obama? No credible source has found a connection as far as I know. Or you just blame him for everything that happens in the entire government?


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 10:07:32 AM
AuburnJunky

"HolyGod: How on Earth can you say the 4 people who died in Benghazi didn't die?"

Oh, 4 people died. Certainly. A tragedy. However embassies get attacked all the time and people die. A chart showing how many American embassies have been attacked and people have died has been posted on here several times and neither you or Fox News ever made a big deal about them. The attack was not the scandal. The SCANDAL was that for a week the administration said it was a spontaneous demonstration as opposed to a terror attack. THAT was the scandal, and nobody died from that.

Would you not agree?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:08:33 AM
Teaparty IRS, Benghazi, and Umbrellagate combined: 0


@HolyGod: No one died at Benghazi?

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE NOW?

I know! Let's ask US Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens about how many folks died...

"So basically you are so dishonest it is comical."

@randomnxp is correct, except it isn't funny at all. Just pathetic.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1261 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:49:26 AM
HolyGod

Iraq was not a scandal. It was a bipartisan decision, made on correct grounds (listen again: unlike our PM Bush talked about WMD programmes which were, of course, both more relevant and certainly real). That is the real non-story of a "scandal".

Funny you not only discount 4 who died in Benghazi but also around 30 who Obama left to die there and fail to even mention Fast and Furious, which had killed 200 last I saw.

So basically you are so dishonest it is comical.

Indeed Obama's only notable achievements are all scandals, even the Obamacare in which he did nothing but sign the law, but turns out not only to be unlike what was promised but worse than its opponents warned!

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10129 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 8:35:18 AM
@HolyGod: How on Earth can you say the 4 people who died in Benghazi didn't die?


randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1261 Posts
Sunday, May 26, 2013 2:47:58 AM
Someone here still takes the communists and fascists at Mother Jones seriously?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 11:32:12 PM
While I don't disagree that the Obama "scandals" are almost complete non-stories drummed by a party desperate to hurt a president that is doing an otherwise decent job while their party crumbles into meaningless obscurity, this strikes me as awfully subjective.

If you actually want to "rate" scandals in some meaningful way then you need to have consistent objective factors by which you gauge them.

Here's one: how many people died as a result of the "scandal"?

Lewinsky:0
Watergate:0
Teaparty IRS, Benghazi, and Umbrellagate combined: 0
Iraq: 100,000+

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 9:02:07 PM
From a historical perspective, I'm pretty sure many of the Bush (and also Clinton ones) will be forgotten or downgraded in scale.

This is horribly organized though, just a clusterfrack of random scandals that forgets a bunch and overplays a bunch more.

handimanner
Male, 60-69, Western US
 1853 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:44:27 PM
Hoo-whooo, W gets 4 outta ten. I knew ya could do it.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25750 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:26:13 PM
What a JOKE! Mother Jones' UBER-leftism on full display!

Perhaps it could be improved by switching:
Watergate <> Lewinsky
Iran-Contra <> Pardongate
Missing WMD <> Whitewater
Palmegate <> Travel, File & Troopergate.
Abu Ghraib <> Fast & Furious

THEN it at least has some sort of accuracy...

Seriously? Mother Jones thinks a PotUS listening to his advisors is MORE critical than one who commits PERJURY? ffs...

No doubt the IAB Liberal Brigade will flame me... bring it on!

scheckydamon
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 410 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 7:15:45 PM
Nothing Mother Jones has to say is relevant or for that matter factually accurate most of the time. They keep snopes in business.

ElectricEye
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 496 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:22:15 PM
Link: The Ultimate White House Scandal Matrix [Pic+] [Rate Link] - On a scale of Billygate to Iran-Contra, just how bad are the Obama scandals? Click the file for the 'classified' story


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