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chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, July 29, 2013 2:58:56 PM
If you knew anything about the subject you'd know that a good bit of the Witches Hammer was devoted to the premise that women were far more susceptible to becoming witches and that, after it's publication, women were targeted as witches 3x more often than men. Stop making so many baseless assumptions, eh?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:26:52 PM
I'll waste some time giving a more detailed example:

"where is your evidence that the men tortured and killed for being "witches" were women?"

WTF? Where did you pull that from?



Your post, obviously. Specifically, this part:

They published the Witches Hammer, a 'how to' guide to torture and murder innocent women.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 6:21:50 PM
You haven't (and can't) dispute the validity of what I said, so you choose to twist words and nit-pick on minor oversights. Pretty classy.


Blaming someone for the actions of other people centuries ago is not a minor oversight.

Dismissing the murders of people of the "wrong" sex is not a minor oversight.

What you said has no validity to dispute. It was just a spewing of ignorance and prejudice.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:42:50 AM
Bottom line: You haven't (and can't) dispute the validity of what I said, so you choose to twist words and nit-pick on minor oversights. Pretty classy.

(**IAB, what's up with cutting me off at 848 characters, with no links or quotes?**)

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Saturday, May 25, 2013 12:41:20 AM
@Angiloon
"where is your evidence that this particular individual is responsible for those things?"

I didn't say or even imply anything of the kind.

"where is your evidence that the men tortured and killed for being "witches" were women?"

WTF? Where did you pull that from?

"where is the evidence for your statement that religiously motivated murder only matters when the victim is a woman?"

Holy f*ck, you have comprehension problems... so, I inadvertently typed "women" instead of "people". How does equal a definitive "statement that religiously motivated blah blah..."? Saying "women" does NOT automatically mean "exclusively women". You must've missed the next sentence about "burned scientists at the stake," or did you not know that science was extremely male-dominated back then?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:21:35 PM
Also, the Catholic church earlier preserved knowledge and encouraged scientific progress in some cases to a limited extent.

A fair bit of ancient Greek and Roman knowledge was preserved by Christian clerics copying and recopying it.

Some of the oldest educational establishments were partially set up by the Catholic church (and definitely by Catholics with the support of the church) and staffed by clerics (e.g. Oxford and Cambridge).

When it comes to knowledge, it was far from being as simple as Chalket made it out to be. The Catholic church did both.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:13:07 PM
RELIGION IS NOT IN ITSELF A BAD THING.


Why not? Shouting it isn't evidence that it's true.

Good people can use religion in a good way, but that doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. At best, some religions are neutral as long as they are powerless.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:07:23 PM
Chalklet...where is your evidence that this particular inndividual is responsible for those things? Time travel is not one of the stated powers of the pope.

Also, where is your evidence that the men tortured and killed for being "witches" were women? That's a rather odd claim to make. Don't you think the torturers would have noticed? Do you think that many men lived as women back then?

Also, where is the evidence for your statement that religiously motivated murder only matters when the victim is a woman? You explicitly refer to only the murder of women, exclusively women, as a bad thing that the Catholic church did, so you deliberately exclude all its murders of men. While most (but not all) alleged witches were women (except in one country, in which nearly all of them were men), that's not true of the people alleged to be heretics and the Catholic church was far more murderous about heretics.

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11655 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 3:58:07 PM
patchgrabber
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pretty much what I was gonna say
good post there

ferdyfred
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11655 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 3:56:21 PM
Nickel2

It often puzzles me why people should want to take pics of religious leaders.
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???
you take pictures of your kids, family?
cars right?
you sniffing boot polish or summat
oddest comment of the week

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 11:57:10 AM
@Plangkye, hear, hear!!!

I am happy to see that a leader of a religious group tells his followers to man the f*ck up and accept that there is more than one way to live your life.
I hope this pope will lead Christianity into this century.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 10:44:27 AM
RELIGION IS NOT IN ITSELF A BAD THING.

This made me lol. I think all the people killed in the Inquisition, or maybe in the Crusades, or maybe that guy who was just beheaded on the street in London would disagree. Or any of the children who were raped by priests and then COVERED UP by their church. And here you sit and say that religion itself is not a bad thing. That makes me sick that you would defend this behaviour. Wait, you're not defending it, you're excusing it because some old fart smiled and said something nice to you.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 10:32:36 AM
Here, a benevolent leader offers a message of peace and hope and all you do is piss on it.


Catholics are responsible for the rape of more children, the murder of more women, and the torture of more innocent people than any other institution ever devised by man. Since its origin, the Catholic 'Church' has suppressed knowledge and fought scientific progress. They openly and actively supported slavery. They supported racism, fascism, and sexism. They were allies of Hitler and Mussilini. They published the Witches Hammer, a 'how to' guide to torture and murder innocent women. They burned scientists at the stake in a futile attempt to keep the masses from learning the Bible is incorrect. They tortured and murdered multitudes in the Inquisition and the Crusades - all in the name of a loving God. Yeah, he's just one of a long line of "benevolent leaders." Yeah, right.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 10:29:54 AM
It's best to choose to do good, which is basically what the true religions of the world teach, and to love one another.


If that was even remotely true, most of us would have no problem with any "true religions". Unfortunately, they teach much, much more than just "love thy neighbor". What about the ban on birth control? That is a definition of "doing good" and/or "love one another" that I cannot accept. There are many more examples...

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 10:19:46 AM
"It often puzzles me why people should want to take pics of religious leaders. They know what he looks like, why have a picture of him?


What an idiotic statement...

It often puzzles me why people should want to take pics of [their family]. They know what [they] look like, why have a picture of [them]?

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 9:11:06 AM
Plangkye +1
papajon0s1 +1

Grayo
Male, 18-29, Canada
 12 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 9:10:08 AM
Now change the word atheist/non-catholic to black person and see how wrong it looks even if it's "well intended".

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 8:55:46 AM
Some of the comments here are so disappointing and sad, Here, a benevolent leader offers a message of peace and hope and all you do is piss on it.

Plangkye
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 258 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 8:48:48 AM
The responses on this post sicken me. Yes, Benedict was horrible, and yes, there are some hateful people who claim to be doing God's work, but get this: RELIGION IS NOT IN ITSELF A BAD THING. Here we have replaced Benedict with a man who has decided to spread messages of love in as humble a way as the Church will let him, and we have comparisons to a murdering pedophile and the leader of an evil cult because of how a vocal MINORITY of "Christians" behave - it's like condemning science, in particular genetics, because of Mengele and Hermann Goering: Ridiculous and shameful.

Let me be clear: I do not believe in the Abrahamic God, nor in the god of any other religion. My beliefs are, if anything, humanist. What I see here is someone in power with the good sense to say "Hey, you guys need to cut this fanatic BS out" to the fundies - should it matter that in his belief, his inspiration comes from God? Objectively, this guy seems a lot more Jesus-like than most r

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 8:30:56 AM
I think most of us know it, there are good people and bad people. So regardless of their other groups they are part of, or the labels they apply to themselves, people are either going to choose to do good or bad. It's best to choose to do good, which is basically what the true religions of the world teach, and to love one another.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 7:50:52 AM
This would essentially be like a murdering pedophile coming up to me saying that I can be a good person if I really try.

^this.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5726 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 7:43:27 AM
Relevant.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 6188 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:10:55 AM
Who would've thought Popes Frankie and Benny could be so different

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 3:19:14 AM
"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. 'But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.' Yes, he can... The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! 'Father, the atheists?' Even the atheists. Everyone!'... We must meet one another doing good. 'But I don't believe, Father, I am an atheist!' But do good: we will meet one another there."

~Pope Francis

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4714 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 1:39:04 AM
It often puzzles me why people should want to take pics of religious leaders. They know what he looks like, why have a picture of him? I was under the impression that he is the religion's representative, not the actual religion itself. A bit like having a photo of the CEO of Mcdonalds, rather than Ronald himself.

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