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Man Tricks Girlfriend Into Taking Abortion Pill

Hits: 6493 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Weird | Added by: kitteh9lives
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Sonsglow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 202 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:03:53 PM
Yes, bigfatdynamo, because males do not currently have enough control over the lives and bodies of females, a man who impregnates a woman should be able to make decisions regarding abortion. WWJD, right?

Sonsglow
Male, 18-29, Western US
 202 Posts
Friday, May 24, 2013 4:00:32 PM
Yeah, Emmettyville, most people pay for a laboratory analysis of any pill they take that is given to them by a significant other.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4274 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 4:19:01 PM
what kinf of a f ucking idiot takes medication that someone else gives them without question? and it's amusing that f ucking millions of babies are aborted every year in the U.S. (some of them after birth- see that kermit abortion doctor guy) and no one bats a f ucking eyelid. That guy does deserve to rot in jail, but no less than all the other bastards that kill unborn babies every day in abortion clinics.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 2:14:59 PM
good for him! Big win!
now a woman can see how it feels.
any its his baby his choice
phuck her!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26233 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:14:34 PM
Wait, where was I when pmarren was allowed back? Watch out @5cats! XD

@patchy: There was a big thread about it a while back. No worries: he seems to have mellowed, and wasn't a problem for me before anyhow.

@MrPeabody: Apparently various types of these pills require various dosages. The "later" you start them = the more pills you need to take.

The boyfriend said it was the case (infection) but there's no proof (yet!) that his Dad was actually involved. It should come out in court one way or the other. Those pills are OTC eh? But mis-labeling them is a crime.

@HalfPintRoo: Turning 30? Happy Birthday!
It's all downhill from here I'm hitting 50 in December...

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:40:18 AM

About this "brain activity" argument. Because we call a lack of brain activity "brain death" some use the standard to define the person-hood of a baby. But this is a poor analogy. The man in a coma's brain is not functioning as it should. A baby @ 4 weeks may not have detectable brain activity yet, but his brain is behaving completely normal for his age. So he's totally healthy - just very young.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 9:42:19 AM
@Gerry1of1
Since it's at 6 weeks that the brain starts having activity I'd say that should be limit for an abortion. Before that the fetus is basically a vegetable, so I'm of the opinion that it's not really alive.

I also agree that it is her body and her choice, but if he has no choice then he shouldn't have to be responsible for it either.

My opinion is that if she doesn't want to be a mother then she has 6 weeks to abort, but he also has those 6 weeks to decide if he wants to be a father or not. If he doesn't then she either aborts or raises the kid on her own.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4744 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:56:49 AM
turdburglar-"Where is that male birth control pill that science has been promising for so long?"

It's a question of numbers. If a male birthcontrol pill were 99% effective, you'd still have to deal with over 4 million of these little buggers...each time.

Daegog-"Its more of a symbiont or parasite."

It meets the definition of neither.

Canoas-"It has no will of it's own"

You've just proven liberals are not people.

Daegog-"The woman's body is hers!"

The baby's body is not her body.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:37:50 AM

BrimstoneOne,
"The problem is fundamentalist/ right-wing loons want to reverse women's rights. They want a bible version of sharia law."

Don't kid yourself. I'm a great big industrial strength homosexual atheist and I am against abortion. "Her Body" - no one denies that. But it's a smokescreen argument that ignores the core issue. "Is the baby a person". Some say yes, others say no. But the stakes are potentially a babies life. So are you really willing to kill a baby based on your hunch that it's not a person? No one can prove that it's not a person, but left to it's natural course we do know it will be a person.

AS for the woman's right - she exercised those rights when she had sex. Does anyone have the right to kill a baby that has not committed a crime? Again the issue isn't her rights, it's the baby's status as "person". If it's not human then how can this be a murder charge?

BrimstoneOne
Male, 30-39, Canada
 2239 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:22:38 AM
The problem is, as I see it. Is that pregnancy/abortion is HER CHOICE. The woman's body is hers! NO one has the right to take her civil liberties away. Wither it government or a disgruntled partner, her body is hers. That includes the fetus inside it. By law the fetus/baby is not a person until it leaves the body of the mother, thus is not a person until that time in which it is born. Various statues in American, Canadian and other European law have stated as such. The problem is fundamentalist/ right-wing loons want to reverse women's rights. They want a bible version of sharia law. Or in the American case, the application of Dominionism or Dominion Theology (they are the same thing). A woman's body is hers, and pregnancy is hers as well. As such termination of a pregnancy is solely that of the woman, it is her right, her body, her health.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:17:41 AM
@lauriloo

Interesting that you think the situations are comparable. AND that you couldn't think of a situation where a man's life was as potentially negatively impacted either health-wise or economically.

Not really; I was illustrating the stupidity in dismissing the opinions of others simple because they have a limited experience in the area. Furthermore, I used a humorous comparison to demonstrate the absurdity.

Now, would you like some serious examples?

When the life expectancy of women drops to that of men, then we can discuss women's healthcare.

When the percent of new college students actually reflects the population, then we can discuss women's education.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12564 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 11:54:12 PM
If you believe women should be allowed to have abortions, you can't support the prosecution of this man for murder if the foetus is below the termination limit. You might prosecute for assault occasioning bodily harm, or grievous bodily harm if there is significant complications to the mother and it can furthermore be proven that the woman was actually pregnant and that there was indeed a termination.

thatjimguy
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 446 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 10:38:28 PM
So no big deal then right guys? Since it's not a baby that woman shouldn't have any bad feelings about it. No harm no foul?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:33:41 PM

Basically, people who think a fetus is not a person "think" it's not a person. But no one, not priest nor scientist, can point to a specific stage or date and say "THAT" is when it is a person.

Since a child's life is the stakes I choose to err on the side of caution. The only thing we do know is that left to it's own course it WILL be a baby.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:23:53 PM
@Gerry
It's not dependence that makes you human or not. That is indeed a human being by all definitions, but it's not a person. It can't think at all, it has no brain activity whatsoever. Still, humans in coma are still people and do have brain activity, they just can't wake up voluntarily. In the more severe cases where they're just vegetables, and everyone refers to them as vegetables. The only reason they're kept alive is due to the emotional attachment of other people.

Still, a fetus is a fetus, it's not a person. It has no will of it's own, it has no memories or feelings, it literally can't feel anything. It does have the potential to become a person, but so does an ovum or a spermatozoon. The only difference is that the ovum and the spermatozoon need one more thing than the fetus does.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10:25 PM

"a fetus is not a person. Its more of a symbiont or parasite."

A parasite is a foreign body. The fetus belongs there...it came from there.

Y'all seem to be stuck on development. It's little so it's not human or It's dependant on the mother so it's not a person. We all have diferant stages of dependence. Initially you are fully dependant on the mother and cannot be transplanted. Later, you come out but you are still fully dependant on another person but developed enough it doesn't have to be the mum. And you continue to gain independence as you grow in stages.

So you guys think if you are in an early stage of complete dependence you are not human. Is a person in a coma human? They are in complete dependence of others. Yes, we unplug them. In other words we let them take their natural course. We should do the same for a fetus, let him have his shot.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:00:02 PM
"Prove it. You made a statement, prove it's true. Before you possibly kill a child, prove it is not a person. Or do you value life so highly that you would wipe one out just on your own intuition? "

It's not developed, only after week 6 does it even have brain activity. Sure, the fetus has the potential to become a person, but it's so far it's not.



"Here is my proof - Wait. Just wait 9 months and it will prove to you itself that it is indeed a human life. Just not ready yet to poke his head out."

Then by that logic all 10 year olds are actually adults, just wait 8 years and they'll prove themselves to be 18 year olds.

Also, may I ask why you're referring to a person as "it"?
"and it will prove"
So, first you claim it's a person and now you're referring to the fetus as a thing. Interesting.. it seems even you don't believe what you're saying.

Daegog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 395 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:48:21 PM
a fetus is not a person. Its more of a symbiont or parasite. It MIGHT one day become a person, but at a few weeks? not a chance.

But still, this guy is toast legally.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:42:26 PM
go Gerry1of1!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:03:50 PM

robthelurker,
"a fetus is not a human being,"

Prove it. You made a statement, prove it's true. Before you possibly kill a child, prove it is not a person. Or do you value life so highly that you would wipe one out just on your own intuition?

No doubt you will come back to me and a say "prove it is a human". Okay, I will. Here is my proof - Wait. Just wait 9 months and it will prove to you itself that it is indeed a human life. Just not ready yet to poke his head out.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2482 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:02:46 PM
No linky

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3775 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:11:05 PM

I am not saying that what he did was right. It defiantly was wrong..but I understand why. He did what millions of men have only dreamed of doing.

Where is that male birth control pill that science has been promising for so long?

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:03:58 PM
"Idea! When women grow penises, then we can have a discussion on the merits of leaving the toilet seat up. Until then, you may not speak of it."

Interesting that you think the situations are comparable. AND that you couldn't think of a situation where a man's life was as potentially negatively impacted either health-wise or economically.

bigfatdynamo
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 259 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:55:06 PM
Today I learned that, according to American justice, only women are allowed to destroy fetuses. Equal rights, my ass.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11636 Posts
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 3:42:24 PM
I understand that, my point is that HOW can it be a murder for him but not for her? Where is the logic in that? How do the courts rationalize that?


The law doesn't have to be logical and rationalisation of anything is easy enough when you start from the end and work within whatever the customs are in any given time and place. So he can be charged with murder because current customs in that place allow it.


I think that it might be worth considering crimes in terms of varying degrees of theft of choice. That's the essence of a crime - stealing a choice from someone else. If I steal your car, I'm stealing your choice of what to do with your car. If I kill you, I'm stealing all of your choices forever - hence murder being considered the most serious crime.

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