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broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2959 Posts
Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:18:09 PM
WizardofCor,
Just saw your post about marriage...very interesting!

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2959 Posts
Thursday, May 16, 2013 8:15:21 PM
@RytWing:
Wrong again. Atheists don't believe in nothing. We just don't believe in gods. Also, while most of what you say about marriage is correct, the fact that it started as a religious unification does not mean that it remains soley a process involving religion today. That's why people can choose to be married by a justice of the peace, with no religious involvement whatsoever. Also, there are legal issues in marriage which spell out legally enforceable responsibilities. These can also be covered with contractual "marriages" but contract marriages, for whatever reason, don't seem to have become popular. Maybe people just don't want lawyers involved at the start of their marriage! Aside from that, your point about "happy animals" is well made.

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 5:28:40 PM
You forget that Adam and Eve precedes Mesopotamia.

WizardofCOR
Male, 40-49, Western US
 156 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:25:26 PM
"So marriage didn't start out as two people being unified in a church by a priest several millennia ago?"
No. The earliest recorded evidence of marriage contracts dates to 4,000 years ago, within Mesopotamia.
Further, in ancient Rome marriage was considered a civil affair that was governed by imperial law. Churches only got involved after Rome fell, as organized religion's power grew during the Middle Ages.

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:18:42 PM
@broizfam
Finally an atheist that understand my point. One has to wonder what an atheist missionaries opening line would be though. Have you heard of the power of believing in nothing? Oh wait, or is it not believing in anything?

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 3:55:29 PM
So marriage didn't start out as two people being unified in a church by a priest several millennia ago? Clearly you now find your self in a conundrum. The law of marriage sprang from the religious institution of marriage and you guys are opposed to religion influencing law yet you all want to get married. Why not just be the happy animals you evolved to be? The birds don't need a stinking law to be monogamous.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:58:11 PM
"AGW takes a lot more faith than any religion. Has more fanaticism too... "

That may well be the single stupidest thing I have ever read on IAB. Congrats, 5Cats, for setting the bar so high!

Tell you what, you post a list of EVIDENCE for the existence of a god, any god, and I'll post a list of EVIDENCE for global warming. Let's see which list is longer and holds up to scrutiny best. If you're honest with yourself, your list would have to be empty.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Wednesday, May 15, 2013 6:18:51 AM

RytWing - No one forces anyone to believe. You can't force a belief. They ARE forcing non-believers to behave or restrict their behavior according to their religist rules and standards.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3588 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:45:20 PM
"Marriage?-Religious institution."

WRONG

As defined in today's world, "Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights & obligations between the spouses, between the spouses & their children, and between the spouses & their in-laws."

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3588 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:39:38 PM
"Granted. The influence of religion is everywhere. However, the question still stands unanswered. Which government institution is forcing atheists in a belief system that is contrary to thier own conscience?"

The simple fact that there are still laws on the books, like Gerry & HG listed, that are influenced by religion IS forcing their belief system on those who are atheist or agnostic. Depending on whatever the specific law is, you can point toward the respective gov't agency.

Since you're so hell bent on someone naming a specific dept, HG mentioned "In God We Trust" on money. Well, that would be the Treasury Department, which is not imaginary.

The "blue laws" that Gerry mentioned concerning alcohol sales are on a state to state basis but they ultimately answer to the ATF, which is part of the Dept of Justice, which also is not imaginary.


broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2959 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:34:39 PM
@RytWing: I'm an atheist. I have no problem at all with people of faith having their faith and practicing as they see fit. I give them no grief; I cause them no problems as a result of my disbelief. I, on the other hand, cannot shop for clothing on Sunday without going to another state, because of someone else's religion. If I fell in love with a man I couldn't marry him, because of someone else's religion. I've had people come to my door to insist that I MUST accept Jesus as my lord because of someone else's religion. There have been people of faith attacking atheists for YEARS. Personally, I don't fight back but, really, why shouldn't I if I feel put upon? That being said, however, I also have to say that, with the exception of laws determining what private and otherwise benign things I may or may not do, I think that atheists as a whole need to shut up, live their lives as they see fit, and allow others to lives their lives the same way.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2959 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:33:18 PM
(continuing) If someone comes to my door insisting I accept Jesus, though, I feel well within my rights to tell them to f*ck off!I sincerely doubt, and certainly hope, that no atheist has ever come to your door insisting ythat you reject the supposed word of God.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2959 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:32:48 PM
@RytWing: I'm an atheist. I have no problem at all with people of faith having their faith and practicing as they see fit. I give them no grief; I cause them no problems as a result of my disbelief. I, on the other hand, cannot shop for clothing on Sunday without going to another state, because of someone else's religion. If I fell in love with a man I couldn't marry him, because of someone else's religion. I've had people come to my door to insist that I MUST accept Jesus as my lord because of someone else's religion. There have been people of faith attacking atheists for YEARS. Personally, I don't fight back but, really, why shouldn't I if I feel put upon? That being said, however, I also have to say that, with the exception of laws determining what private and otherwise benign things I may or may not do, I think that atheists as a whole need to shut up, live their lives as they see fit, and allow others to lives their lives the same way.

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:20:00 PM
Granted. The influence of religion is everywhere. However, the question still stands unanswered. Which government institution is forcing atheists in a belief system that is contrary to thier own conscience? Are you guys incapable of blocking out unwanted influences? Are you being marched to church at gun point? Do your hands burn when you handle money? Does the idea of hell really bother you? It shouldn't.
You guys are smart people. When are you going to figure out that you're putting a lot of energy into attacking something that you don't even believe in? What a waste. You'll say your not attacking religion but if that is the case, what are you defending? Marriage?-Religious institution. Evolution?-Already taught in schools. Sodomy?-shut up about, it won't be a problem.
Get a hobby.


soundman655
Male, 50-59, Canada
 1477 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:48:01 PM
Faxed from heaven !!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:40:16 PM

@ RytWing, also there are the Blue Laws in many states. In Virginia you couldn't buy alcohol until 1 p.m. on Sunday 'cause it's church time. On the local news in San Diego this morning a church is trying to get strip clubs to stop advertising.

It was religious groups that rallied their troops to vote for Prop 8 - voting to deny people they don't like full citizenship rights. Specifically gays can't marry one-another like other citizens do because the church doesn't like it.

Yes, the church is mixed up in politics and trying to cram it's agenda down other people's throats.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4816 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:32:14 PM
RytWing
"Still waiting for the name of the organization whodat. Guess it doesn't exist. Who believes in imaginary things now?"

OK. Off the top of my head:

The Texas board of education trying to put Intelligent Design into textbooks thereby making all textbooks have it.

The sodomy laws still on the books and even enforced in lots of states for religious reasons.

The fact that it says "In God We Trust" on money. Just a minor annoyance sure, but ask yourself how OK you would be if the money said "In Allah We Trust".

Religious groups actively opposing gay marriage and denying people equal rights because of things it says in the bible.

That if I am called to testify in court I have to put my hand on a bible and swear to god to tell the truth.

Etc. Etc. Etc...

Nobody is making me religious but they governing me religiously and injecting their belief system into my life.

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:21:00 PM
Still waiting for the name of the organization whodat. Guess it doesn't exist. Who believes in imaginary things now?

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:19:36 PM

richanddead,
"This is actually a very complex part of Christian religion"

It's not complex at all. It's simple. It's a contradiction. But having set the idea up as flawless religists can't admit it's a fundamentally flawed concept. Instead they build up a very complicated double-talk theology about it which distracts & confuses but never explains.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:16:41 PM

Geo - having multiple names for the same thing does not make it multiple items. Coke, Coca Cola, Cola... it's still just one coke so your Jewish milti-name theory it irrelevant.

John 3:16 is pretty easy to understand. Jesus is set up as a separate individual who is the son of a god and therefore a god himself. That's 2 gods. Holy spirit ... 3 and counting.

Then there are the immortal beings who can move between this realm and the "other worlds" like heaven and/or hell. Clearly supernatural beings, not men. Demi-gods.

It's not much different than Zues and the titans is it? Or Odin and thor/loki. But be happy with it, whatever it is. Just don't pass laws based on it. Locally, a church wants strip clubs to stop advertising and pushing for a city ordinance. Because as always, religists want the whole world to live by their standards.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 2:04:59 PM
HG: Contrary to what you and a handful of others may think, the procedures of the Holy Bible have been tried, tested, and found to be true for thousands of generations, and continue to realized by many intelligent people seeking its truths. Also, the source isn't faulty, considering that the dead sea scrolls confirm this.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3588 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:39:20 PM
"Name the government organization forcing you into religion."

I'm pretty sure @HolyGod is referring to all the jesus freaks who are trying to get the hilarious & absurd idea of creation taught in public schools along with evolution.





5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24124 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 1:34:46 PM
@richanddead: Nice overview! Sounds correct to me.

@AvatarJohn: YEAH! AGW takes a lot more faith than any religion. Has more fanaticism too...

HAHA! An advert for "Bible Trivia Challenge" >>>

RytWing
Male, 30-39, Western US
 315 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:38:35 PM
@holygod

Name the government organization forcing you into religion.

richanddead
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1712 Posts
Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:57:06 AM
Some do consider Jesus as God's son, others consider him to be God in human form, others feel he was a type of divine sacrifice, and yet others that he was just a incredibly intouch prophet. Some forms of gnosticism believed that he was simply a shell to house the Holy Spirit while on earth. Take your pick on who Jesus is as it relates to God.

Yet in most forms of monotheistic religion it is common to note, that "God is unknowable."

As far as angels and devils, thrones and seraphim, they constitute different forms of beings but not Gods. The Devil is a later creation and is seen himself in different ways; from a angelic divine prosecutor, Lucifer "light-bringing" or "shining one" who tests mens devotion to God or as Satan "adversary" leader of the watchers who was cast out of heaven, but he is separate from God, not more powerful than God, but he is permitted to exist. God is always seen as the original and most powerful being

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