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Which Religion Cares Most About the Homeless [Pic]

Hits: 8353 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Draculya
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4446 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:12:20 AM
madduck,

Mary Midgely was a sound good philosopher in her time and produced a valuable body of work. She's also a lovely person - I knew her son at uni and we would go round the house and be awed by her kindness and willingness to take callow under-grads seriously. But she is no biologist and simply misunderstood Dawkins' 'selfish gene' arguement.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:08:30 AM
At lordjim
"Also, lack of religion does not imply lack of belief."

no, but a belief in the lack of gods does imply the start of a religion.

monsterzero
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 344 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:06:51 AM
@Ak47:
"how do we know you didn't stage it. So you could casually call atheist dishonest."

You don't.
That's why crap like this un-debatable.
You may think it's reason to debate whether or not God exists or why religion sucks, or whatever you want to argue about between Atheism an religion.
The fact is that it would seem propaganda troll has done his job well.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:05:45 AM
at LordJim

I corrected, my apology.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:04:00 AM
At least we got to page 2 first.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4446 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:03:01 AM
ak47reaper

That wasn't me. I was the (agnostic) atheist previous post.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:02:47 AM
Draculya congrats you the posts first religion bash-er.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:01:19 AM
I spoke to soon.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5607 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:00:44 AM
In most cases an atheist simply does not believe in a god (any god) - some atheists have other beliefs and intentions which they express in a way which could be comparable to a religion (see Mary Midgely on Dawkins). However- we can and should define first what is meant by the term 'God' - that is where a lot of confusion seems to crop up. Then we need to look at where this 'God' - if you admit one or something- operates. it will be damn hard to prove or disprove some agency outside of space and time- outside this universe. What we can do is pretty comprehensively disprove the God of Abraham- or most other named Gods who have properties which we can measure. Then- if you claim a particular atheist is treating it as a belief system, you need to look at the claims made by them. Some notable atheist do have a faintly messianic streak- others are just non believers.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4446 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:00:41 AM
Also, lack of religion does not imply lack of belief. It's perfectly possible to believe in a god (even one with specific attributes) and yet adhere to no religion.

Lack of belief does, however imply lack of religion since religion is a shared belief system based around a supernatural being. Although some people may associate with or even become active in a religion while privately not believing in the central supernatural being. They may do this because of fear of the consequences of open unbelief or because of percieved advantages of feigned belief. There are quite a lot of priests and pastors who have lost their belief but still need a job that involves no heavy lifting. And even more who 'belong' to a religion to avoid upsetting the family.

(note: 'upsetting the family' may involve anything from tensions at christmas dinner to being murdered by your parents.)

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:00:08 AM
sorry meant Denogginizer

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:59:26 AM
at LordJim
time for another religion bashing post.

nobody's bash anything but atheism and there their saying it is not a religion. so there is no religion bashing going on here.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12166 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:51:56 AM
You flip a coin a thousand times. It comes up tails a thousand times. On detailed examination, the coin shows it has obviously been doctored to come up tails. Scientists everywhere agree it's a crooked coin.

The atheist bets on tails.

The religious person bets on heads, because his imaginary friend will fix the outcome for him.

The agnostic puts down a hundred bucks either way, just in case.

Denogginizer
Male, 30-39, Western US
 820 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:47:26 AM
It's a day that ends in a "Y", time for another religion bashing post. Copy/paste the comments section from the previous post aaaand done.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4446 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:47:11 AM
Oh dear, are we doing this again?

Gnostic = belief that one can have knowledge about god or gods.

Agnostic = belief that one cannot have knowledge about god or gods.

Atheist gnostic = one who believes that they can know for certain that there is no god. Very few of those because of the logical impossibility of proving a negative. Never met one.

Atheist agnostic = one who does not believe there can be certain knowledge but who has chosen not to believe because they have found no compelling reason to believe. Lots of those.

Gnostic theist = one who believes that certain knowledge of god is possible and that they have it. Lots & lots of those.

Agnostic theist = one who believes there can be no certain knowledge of god but who choose to believe because they have found arguments or experiences they conside compelling. Not too many, but some of these.

('gnostic' used here does not refer to gnosticism, which may be confusing.)

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:46:29 AM
gods not god your personalizing atheist as not believing in your god.

It was an example; I don't have a God.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:45:19 AM
But if you *really* wanted to get nitpicky you could say that atheism believes that God doesn't exist, but that hardly makes it a religion.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12166 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:44:51 AM
I love that we can't agree on atheism or that agnosticism represents a lack of religion.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:44:43 AM
at patchgrabber
gods not god your personalizing atheist as not believing in your god. they believe no gods are need for the creation of omni.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5708 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:41:49 AM
Either you have an argument not to believe in x or you have a belief that say's x doesn't exist.


Sort of, yes. If I hear an argument for God that I don't find convincing, either due to inaccurate translation of texts, or due to the fact that they say the Earth was created 1000 years after the Sumerians invented beer, that may be all that is required to deny belief. Keep in mind that what you're saying is akin to "You don't believe what I do so what do you believe?" when a more accurate representation of this problem is:

"Do you believe this?"
"No."

I don't require an alternative explanation as to why I don't believe in unicorns other than I haven't seen compelling evidence that they DO exist, which is not a belief, rather, it is subject to logic. Like I said, atheism DOES NOT make assertions about how things came to be other than refuting that it is God.

Vexys
Male, 18-29, Europe
 74 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:34:15 AM
No, you see it isnt. I genuinely have no belief. The definition of atheist personally BUT have just spoken to someone of this I can see how there could be belief systems as such, in more militant atheists such as Dawkins etc, indoctrination in science and such.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:32:24 AM
religion does not require a belief in a supreme being.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2326 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:29:24 AM
@patchgrabber, nice try, but how is that going to stick?

Either you have an argument not to believe in x or you have a belief that say's x doesn't exist.

(the concept has been brought to you attention, and you only have a binary response to it. as much as i dislike it)


ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:29:17 AM
the statement "i believe x doesn't exist" is except able.

ak47reaper
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 117 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:26:19 AM
i meant that they believe no gods exist. sorry that statement could have been read either way.

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