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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25751 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:53:40 PM
"But @5Cats! YOU compared gun homicides with accidental POOL deaths for children 0-4!"
- Said no one at all.

Yes I did! Because "accidental firearm deaths" of children 0-4 are very nearly ZERO!

The deaths of people 14+ are in NO WAY comparable to the drownings of children age 0-4! Deliberate or accidental!!!

And lumping 19 year olds in with "children" is DRATTING stupid! Just... pathetic.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4645 Posts
Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:55:21 AM
chalket-"I'm just wondering why you conveniently left out the next two lines in your reference:"

Because HolyGod wanted to compare Apples-to-Apples. So I gave the numbers for Accidental deaths. (and, you'll note, I added the disclaimer 'please note that the Firearm deaths are only listing accidental deaths (as with Motor Vehicle), as you wanted Apples to Apples.')

For future reference:
Accidental deaths due to auto's vs. accidental deaths due to firearm = Apples-to-Apples.
Accidental deaths due to intentional deaths due to firearms (i.e. homicides) = Apples-to-Homicide.

It was not 'convenient', it was a specific statement of accidental deaths. Now you would agree that there is a defference between 'accidental ' and 'intentional', correct?

chalket-"Kinda changes your overly-rosy "138 per 100,000" doesn't it?"

No, it does not change the number for Accidental firearm deaths at all (remember, Apples-to-Ap

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25751 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 6:03:17 PM
@chalket: ACCIDENTAL deaths does not include murder or suicide. Just a little "fyi" there...

FBI Database 19 year olds are not "children" ok? Can we agree on that much?

But we ALL agree: It's the LAWYERS fault! And greedy people. And stupid judges...

Ani187
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 4546 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 5:14:46 PM
Did someone say anything about how it's way easier to choke on one of those egg things than it is to choke on an assault rifle? I'm just saying.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3710 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 4:28:59 PM
@HolyGod

"You say it jams but I've watched video of them being used to blow through high capacity clips in seconds."

Wow, so your extensive research on Youtube has suddenly made you an expert on the subject? Damn, I wasted so much time learning the components and how weapons operate when all I had to do was spend an afternoon on Youtube... F*ck me, what a waste of time!!!

Think about how many videos of these guys having their weapons jam never made it on Youtube while they were attempting it. You're not going to post something like that because you don't want to look like an a$$hole. That's why you film all day hoping for a few minutes of usable footage.

Unless you come up with something better than the bump stock argument you always use don't bother arguing with me when it comes to how weapons operate.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 3:44:41 PM
@MeGrendel
"2007 causes of death for ages 0-19:
Accidental Deaths:
Motor Vehicle 6,683 per 100,000
Drowning 1,056 per 100,000
Fire/Burn 544 per 100,000
Poisoning 972 per 100,000
Suffocation/Strangulation 1,263 per 100,000
Firearm 138 per 100,000 "

I'm just wondering why you conveniently left out the next two lines in your reference:

Homicide-Firearm: 2,186 per 100,000
Suicide-Firearm: 683 per 100,000

Kinda changes your overly-rosy "138 per 100,000" doesn't it? So to recap, "Drowning" (1,056) is not even close to "Firearms" (3,007).

Source (since you didn't see fit to supply it)

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:58:06 PM
papajohns01

"Let's see you stop the disgruntled ex-spouse that starts shooting up your place of work with a chocolate egg."

Let's see the disgruntled ex-spouse shoot up your place with a chocolate egg.


MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4645 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:38:31 PM
McGovern1981-"we need sue happy control!"

I think you'll have more agreement on that than anything else on this thread.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:28:10 PM
Let's see you stop the disgruntled ex-spouse that starts shooting up your place of work with a chocolate egg.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:07:06 PM
McGovern1981

"As for the egg that should be legal too we need sue happy control!"

COMPLETELY agree.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:03:17 PM
As for the egg that should be legal too we need sue happy control!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 12:02:09 PM
Let's ask Australia what horrible calamities have befell them since guns were outlawed.


Hmmm confiscation of personal propety I'm sure those with malintent just handed them over though LOL!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25751 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:42:21 AM
The places in the USA with the MOST "gun laws" have the higest gun crime/ gun murder rates.

The places witht he MOST guns? Per capita or otherwise? Have much lower rates...

Now anytime you'd like to look at facts as opposed to OPINIONS? That would be a nice change...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25751 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:40:08 AM
Gun murder in Austrailia: .09 / 1,000
Gun murder in America: 3.2 / 1,000


Apples vs Kinder Eggs...

#1 it was already lower before the "new laws" and hasn't dropped much since.
#1A: Overall crime and murder in Australia remains unchanged OR worse
#2 Take the US Drug Gang murders & shootings out? The USA's RATE isn't much higher than Europe or Aussie. In other words: "guns alone" is NOT the problem...
#2A: Taking guns away from legal citizens won't slow the gangs down one iota... in fact the opposite is true!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25751 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:34:15 AM
Logic would tell you they didn't regulate guns in Australia they banned them....


@McGovern: Worse than that, they CONFISCATED them! Unless you have lots of money! Guns for the RICH! Not for YOU!
Buy expensive "permits" and the laws don't apply to you!

And just look how the crime rate has PLUNGED in Australia since then... it hasn't? None of it? It's gone UP?!!? Especially rape?
But in the USA more guns (overall) plus more (legal) owners = FALLING crime rates! Across the board...

Nothing to see here... move along...

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1504 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:28:12 AM

Yeah this REALLY pisses me off!
Legalize Kinder Eggs NOW!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:25:27 AM
McGovern1981

"Ya and getting rid a lot of cars would reduce car deaths that dosen't make it ok."

Because the good of cars outweighs the bad. Getting rid of cars would cripple our economy. Getting rid of guns would.....

Dunno? What? What greater good is destroyed? Let's ask Australia what horrible calamities have befell them since guns were outlawed.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:23:07 AM
McGovern1981

"I think European kids are smart enough to not try to eat a big yellow PLASTIC ball"

Ya. Are you under the impression the pieces are just floating randomly in the chocolate?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:21:15 AM
Way more kids die in Chicago than the tragedies they hang on to to push an agenda that has failed. That should tell you something right there.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:19:33 AM
I think European kids are smart enough to not try to eat a big yellow PLASTIC ball.


But not enough to understand a gun can be dangerous LOL! You underestimate people and ambulance chasers looking to claim firvilous lawsuits the real reason why we don't have those eggs.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13449 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:17:07 AM
Getting rid of a lot of guns got rid of a lot of gun murder. Weird.


Ya and getting rid a lot of cars would reduce car deaths that dosen't make it ok.

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 434 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:13:20 AM
@McGovern1981
"Now tell me how chunks of plastic in a candy for toddlers seems like a good idea...."
Well, we are enjoying kindersuprise eggs since a long time now without casualties. I think European kids are smart enough to not try to eat a big yellow PLASTIC ball.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:09:09 AM
McGovern1981

"Logic would tell you they didn't regulate guns in Australia they banned them...."

Nope. You have the right to bare arms in Austrailia. In fact over 750,000 do.

Gun murder in Austrailia: .09 / 1,000
Gun murder in America: 3.2 / 1,000

35 TIMES HIGHER.

Getting rid of a lot of guns got rid of a lot of gun murder. Weird.

Although to be honest even I think Austrailia is too regulated. I think hand guns for home and personal protection are perfectly reasonable.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4609 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:06:15 AM
Well, if Kinder Egg had had the foresight to fund a National Kinder Egg Association, pay a bunch of lobbyists, finance some politicians and run an ad campaign they wouldn't have that problem.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Monday, April 29, 2013 11:02:30 AM
whodat6484

" If you're still alive, let me know how it feels when a rifle blows up in your face while you're shooting"

A bump stock basically turns a semi auto into an auto without danger to the shooter. You say it jams but I've watched video of them being used to blow through high capacity clips in seconds. Accuracy? Maybe not, but you don't need to be all that accurate when you are just spraying a crowd.

"Well, if said criminal already has a record, chances are he won't be legally purchasing any kind of firearms in the first place."

Craigslist, swap meets, gun shows, all perfectly legal for one private individual to sell to another without any check or paperwork required.

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