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Hits: 10222 | Rating: (3.2) | Category: Misc. | Added by: sweepofdeath
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5093 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:17:54 PM
Canoas

"I never mentioned Christianity in my post."

Lack of reading comprehension is staggering huh? He actually has the ability to invent something you never said and then argue against it.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:38:37 PM
@Johanvb
"You argument means that world wars etc. can only be fought if there's religion involved."
It seems that not only my memory is failing, since I don't remember ever writing that, but my sight is as well because I can't find such comment either. I should go to the doctor tomorrow.


"because of the fact that religion caused so much misery in the past, that the only way we can restore peace is to banish all religion by force if necessary."
And how is that atheism? That's just anti-theism, which is not the lack of belief.
That's like claiming that if a bunch of racists start a war against blacks then being white is bad.


"Scientology is a science fiction story that got out of hand where Christianity is like the Constitution taken out context.
That's funny, I didn't know your constitution had stories in it.
If anything Scientology is science fiction and Christianity is fantasy. The bible is a bad short story

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:36:11 PM
@5cats
"Muslims also refuse to use condoms, just fyi... quite a few Muslims in Africa... "
I never mentioned Christianity in my post. The upper half of Africa is Muslim, the lower half is Catholic, both condemn the use of condoms in favour of HIV.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:09:50 PM
Well, I tried.
(See very first comment.)

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:54:17 AM
@davymid,
Christianity <> Scientology. Funny yes, true no.
The debate would be to long but in short:
Scientology is a science fiction story that got out of hand where Christianity is like the Constitution taken out context.

If you see how Americans interpret the second amendment. It's only 225 years old and already people interpret it's meaning in different ways. Guess what people think of this in about 2000 years (given, they will be more accurate because of the storage-techniques we have now).

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:40:53 AM
@Canoas
" I'm very interested how you can use a lack of belief for world domination."

You argument means that world wars etc. can only be fought if there's religion involved. That's where you are wrong.
One scenario that uses Atheism as a excuse to dominate the world can be that, because of the fact that religion caused so much misery in the past, that the only way we can restore peace is to banish all religion by force if necessary.
(a bit like the judge death reasoning)

Atheism doesn't mean you will not use violence to get what you want, you are thinking of pacifism.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:52:03 AM
chalket davymid: they're both stories that have good lessons that we can learn from. In fact, a lot of the best stories in the world quite often have themes and similes of lessons taught in the scriptures. But being a book on the history of faith which deals with deep spiritual questions we have, it's no surprise. Still, to ignore it just out of bias and prejudice, or to be wilfully blind or ignorant to the good lessons it holds, is not a lesson in goodness at all. Quite to the contrary actually.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12085 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:19:56 AM
p.s. and beautifully so, if I may say so. *tips hat*

Q. What's the difference between Christanity and Scientology?

A. About 2000 years.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12085 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:14:54 AM
The story of Adam and Eve explains the beginning of this good and evil.

So does the story of Rumpelstiltskin. What's your point, caller?

But I see Chalket has beaten me to the punch.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:11:45 AM
"Good post.. It's just how it is: people can be good or evil. The story of Bilbo Baggins and Gollum explains the beginning of this good and evil. The rest of The Hobbit gives colorful examples of human-kinds struggle to live with the effects of Good and evil. Ultimately though evil leads to death, and good leads to life, but the Tolkein books teach us to be holy and love one another, and contains deep lessons to help a person do that."

I see your fantasy novel and raise you a trilogy.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 8:26:35 AM
Good post.. It's just how it is: people can be good or evil. The story of Adam and Eve explains the beginning of this good and evil. The rest of the Bible gives colorful examples of human-kinds struggle to live with the effects of Good and evil. Ultimately though evil leads to death, and good leads to life, but the scriptures teach us to be holy and love one another, and contains deep lessons to help a person do that.

lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 7:07:14 AM
Do you know the reason why Malcom X was killed? He was moving away from the NOI. He was opening his eyes and changing his outlook on things. Yes, Malcolm X was a good person.

Why would you think otherwise? Based on an article you read during black history month?? Seriously, don't comment on something you know absolutely NOTHING about. And as far as MLK being a "good Christian"...he was a great leader and an inspiration but he sucked at being a father and a husband. I suppose, lack of character in certain aspects of your life are overlooked for the greater good?

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12085 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:46:10 AM
...Hitler despite being an evil Christian was not evil in the name of religion, but of socialism.

Oi. Randomnxp. Hitler was a Nazi Fascist. That's an extreme far-right political position. As far right as you can get. I can man up, with my politically-left, libtard leanings, can admit that Communism was going too far left gone wrong. Our bad. Please admit that Fascism is too far right gone wrong. Fascism isn't to the left, I assure you. Hitler's one of yours.

I assure you, the Nazis weren't Socialists.

And heading off the inevitable bullcum of "but they even called themselves the National Socialists! Of course they were Socialist!", Guess what. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, etc, aren't necessarily that f*cking Democratic.

DrProfessor
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 3884 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:24:18 AM
@5cats: he said that religion convinces them not to use condoms--that includes muslims.

Keyh
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 227 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:20:46 AM
"Really? Can you share those with us? I'm very interested how you can use a lack of belief for world domination."

I think he's mixing up atheism and antitheism/misotheism.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26236 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:09:48 AM
@Canoas: Muslims also refuse to use condoms, just fyi... quite a few Muslims in Africa...

Chairman Mao: Free workers across the world from the two evils of rich people and religion! By killing them if necessary...
There's plenty more, but he easily killed the most people.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:27:42 AM
@Johanvb
"I can think up scenarios where Atheism is used as an excuse for world domination just like Christianity and Muslim religion are. "
Really? Can you share those with us? I'm very interested how you can use a lack of belief for world domination.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 5:15:04 AM
Like holygod said, the problem is not what those people believed in, it's why they committed such horrible acts. The simple truth is that religion often encourages unethical behaviour such as being against gay marriage, forcing kids to learn bullpoo in school and even convincing millions of Africans to keep spreading HIV instead of using condoms.
Believing in God isn't a problem, the problem is when you start harming other people due to that belief.

Johanvb
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 4:42:54 AM
@HolyGod,

"NOBODY has ever done horrible things BECAUSE of atheism."
Yet!

Just because nobody has ever done anything bad in the name of something doesn't make that something a good thing.

I can think up scenarios where Atheism is used as an excuse for world domination just like Christianity and Muslim religion are.

We have to stop looking at the 'weapon' or idealism people use and look to what it is that makes people use them.

CoffeeTalk
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 192 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 3:09:42 AM
Malcomn X was good?!?!? Who are you trying to fool?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5093 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:18:30 AM
This is very easy in my mind.

Some people do horrible things while being religious.
Some people do horrible things BECAUSE of religion.
Some people do horrible things while being atheist.
NOBODY has ever done horrible things BECAUSE of atheism.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5093 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:15:07 AM
3002-3038

"You never read mein kampf I'm guessing.."

You mean the propaganda book written for public consumption to gain the favor of a largely christian population? Yes I have.

He was outwardly and publicly Christian. I don't deny that. You obviously believe everything politicians say right?

In several interviews with several advisers after his death it was consistently said that he viewed Christianity as a method of control and a way to fuel his antisemitism.

Hitler declared Nazism the state religion.
The Bible was replaced by Mein Kampf in the schools.
The SS were supposedly forbidden to believe in God.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

Historian Paul Johnson wrote that Hitler hated Christianity with a passion, adding that shortly after assuming power in 1933, Hitler told Hermann Rauschnig that he intended "to stamp out Christianity root and branch."

Your turn...

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1266 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:02:53 AM
And there are also people who do evil things because they believe that these things are a religious imperative, or at the least that their religion excuses them. Christians largely gave up doing so after the reformation, although the process took some time. A few Muslims are still doing so.

Hitler was not one such; therefore to include him here as an "evil Christian" is to fundamentally mis-state the evils of religion.

Torquemada, maybe, or even Oliver Cromwell, but Hitler despite being an evil Christian was not evil in the name of religion, but of socialism. In that he has more in common with Stalin than MLK.

Of course it is not those opposed to Islamic radicalism who wrote signs demanding the beheading of people who say Islam is not a peaceful religion.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12564 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:12:06 AM
Muslim IS a religion of peace. Unless you refuse to submit to Islam and abide by sharia, then you have to be killed. It's as simple as that.

Daegog
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 395 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:01:38 AM
MLK was more like a saint.. Malcolm X was a rationale person. As for role model, im not as certain about that.

If your child was being bullied mercilessly, would your rather him turn the other cheek or stand up for himself?

I would prefer him to fight back, but thats just me.

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