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How To Kill A Human Being

Hits: 6595 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Science | Added by: LordJim
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Magentab0b
Female, 30-39, Western US
 1462 Posts
Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:06:02 PM
Edison you the man!

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10127 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:33:57 PM
"Depending on what state you live in, the wrongful conviction rate is between 13% & 25%."

You're gonna hafta cite that.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:30:10 PM
I think you've just nudged me more toward the "against" side of the fence.


Glad to hear. Part of the libertarian ethos is about restraining government power. It's important in this case as it tends to harm people it's not even supposed to target.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:14:19 PM
@Gerry: Good points. ~pondering~

I'm kind of stuck on what Madduck alluded to earlier though: If, say, my son or daughter were brutally murdered by a serial killer, I'd have a hard time not feeling further victimized every time I saw that person leering from the TV screen in his latest interview or parole hearing, a la Charles Manson.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:06:05 PM

I'm against the death penalty for 2 reasons.

A: By outlawing it, we as a society have said that deliberately killing a person is wrong. As punishment for this we will kill you. Huh? Hows that?

& 2: Error ratio. Depending on what state you live in, the wrongful conviction rate is between 13% & 25%. That is intolerable. And you cannot apologize after you've killed the wrong man, which has happened way too many times. Until we have a reliably accurate court system the death penalty shouldn't be considered.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:34:03 PM
@Cajun: You make a very good point about appeals. I think you've just nudged me more toward the "against" side of the fence.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:21:24 PM
Thing is Squirlz the cases you reference tend to be very high profile. Usually that puts pressure on government, cops and prosecutors in particular, to find and convict someone respectively. That's even if the person they find is actually innocent of the crime. If there's a mistake (procedural or otherwise) then the defendant only has a small window to appeal. If it were life instead then it's as long as they have to live. The latter encourage the prosecutor to be a lot more careful.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4602 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:57:17 PM
Personally I oppose the death penalty simply because there have been too many innocent people convicted of capital crimes, many of them subseuently executed. I might be next.

And if it is argued that only absolutely certain guilt should carry the death penalty then you are creating a third verdict; not guilty, guilty and really, really guilty. The Birmingham 6 and Guildford 4 would probably have hanged long before their innocence was established, the court had decided they were really, really guilty.

There are other valid objections, of course, but the revenge aspect doesn't bother me. If somebody deliberately harmed my family and I was in a position to take revenge I would have no moral or ethical issues at all. I'm not good at forgiveness.

But the process of the state deciding to kill is a different matter. How much confidence do you have in your police, justice system and government bureaucracy? Is it 100%?

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:29:06 AM
difficult subject. I started out by thinking that if someone I loved was butchered, and then the perpetrator caught, would I feel better if they were killed? That I do not know- I hope I never will, but I suspect it would not actually help- and the longer the judicial process went on for I suspect it would help less. There are a worrying number of death row prisoners being found innocent as well- and once you factor that in, I can see no benefit at all.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:59:54 AM
@Madduck: I agree with your points, which is why I describe myself as being "on the fence" regarding the issue. Perhaps I should describe myself as "against" the way it's being applied now but could be "for" if it were regulated differently? Still thinking my way through this, so I value your thoughts.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:54:41 AM
Thing is Squrlz- I am not sure if execution is used to 'close a chapter'- to often the poor and badly represented get a death sentence as frequently as the real horrors. To close a chapter we need to stop publicising their names- just as being dome now with the two lads from Boston. Lock them up to either live safely away from society, or rehabilitate them, but do not make them into celebrities- forget them.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:44:13 AM
I'm on the fence regarding the death penalty. One thing I'm sure of though: If the state is allowed to execute capital punishment, it should be done so as humanely as possible. Per the narrator's position, state execution should resemble murder in no way, shape, or form. For me, the death penalty isn't about revenge: It's about closing the final chapter of an obscenely twisted plot that can in no way be salvaged and that is a blot of shame for humanity--like, for example, the life of Jeffrey Dahmer.

The U.S. winds up looking pretty bad at the end of this video because the investigator DOES manage to find an execution method that is painless, reliable, inexpensive, and humane. But the U.S. authority angrily rejects it because it doesn't cause suffering (I kid you not).

KitFox
Female, 30-39, Eastern US
 500 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:18:38 AM
"My basic attitude is: So they suffer a little pain. Who cares?"
That man just summed it up for me.

pumba62
Male, 40-49, Canada
 962 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:48:41 AM
I found it funny near the end of the video when he is summing up his thoughts ...... Can science offer a painless way of killing people? ..and I think it does !If the state is going to kill people it has an obligation of doing it in a way that least resembles murder.... While driving by The Golden Arches ....Government mass killing. Slow euphoric yummy murder!

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:50:36 AM
hmm, okay, killing people is not punishment, or prevention, but revenge. Does it improve our society if we take revenge in this manner? i suggest not- I am sure studies could be done to find out- but I doubt it highly. I cannot think of a reason other than revenge to enact the death penalty- and if that revenge achieves nothing then surely rehabilitation and restitution would serve us better?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:26:16 AM
Those of us who oppose the death penalty believe it's barbaric because it makes us no better than the criminal.

And also because of the countless number of innocent people who have been put to death.



On top of which it's expensive as fu<k. If your concern is that they're an imminent threat to society put them away indefinitely. Putting them on death row is psychological torture.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10272 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:22:29 AM
If you kill someone on purpose and you are not in the act of defending yourself, then you do not deserve humane treatment. They were not humane to their victims, therefore I dont care if they suffer.


I invite everyone who shares this sentiment to review the 8th amendment to the US constitution.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4598 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:17:58 AM
I would suggest that the majority of murders happen quickly and out of anger. Most murders are not like the "psychopath" murders you see in movies. There is a huge difference.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4598 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:16:47 AM
The "Kill em' and let God sort it out" ideology doesn't work if God is a fabrication and there is no afterlife. I think that you will find it's mainly the Religious folks who are okay with the death penalty. My question would be, if you knew you were winking a person out of existence, would you still be okay with it? If a person made a bad choice or acted out of anger and did something REALLY stupid, do they deserve to not exist?

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:05:01 AM
"To those that think executing someone is barbaric, you do realize this is a reaction to something they have done, right?"

Those of us who oppose the death penalty believe it's barbaric because it makes us no better than the criminal.

And also because of the countless number of innocent people who have been put to death.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12320 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 6:36:05 AM
Doesn't North Korea use mortars?

Sleepyhallow
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1826 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 5:29:09 AM
Only premeditated murder should be punished by capital death and then, the execution should be carried out in that same manner that the murder was accomplished.

Quid Pro Quo

And if you want it to be a deterrent, then the executions should be carried out in public in broad daylight, not in a basement in the dark.

ruthless1990
Female, 18-29, Europe
 3016 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:33:12 AM
to quote Gandalf:
"Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends"

yeahhhh, LotR ftw!

Nickel2
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4616 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 1:28:31 AM
Nail 'em up!
Life of Brian dungeon scene

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2136 Posts
Saturday, April 27, 2013 12:40:15 AM
The Death sentence is only inhumane if there is a God. If there is a God then that person is a deliberate creation and who are we to decide for God. If there is no god then it is best for humanity to cull the herd. It would be best to help ensure a good gene pool.

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