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I Don't Want Atheism Shoved Down My Throat [Pic]

Hits: 11143 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: sweepofdeath
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artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 176 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:15:47 AM
Atheism is not a religion, no matter how frequently theists try to insist that it is. And to be honest, I kinda find it amusing when they do so, becuae it's invariably said in effort to dismiss the validity of atheism ... by calling it a religion. Maybe deep down they recognise that religions are easily dismissed - otherwise that technique really doesn't make much sense.

Christians (for example) are always quick to cry mischaracterisation whenever someone secular assumes they must believe everything in the bible is literal truth, but they regularly practise the same (or worse) mischaracterisation when they're talking about atheism. When someone says they're atheist, all you can assume is that they don't believe in gods - that's it! That's all the term really means - a-theist: not theist. If you agree that it's unfair to assume all Christians are exemplified by WBC, then please stop doing the same to atheists.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:10:43 AM
Easy to say. But what if it said "God is a freaking lie", instead? Would you also be satisfied with the explanation that it's just "Text on a piece of paper/cotton"?

If they just changed it randomly; yes. If it had been that way my whole life (as it has been for yours), I would chalk it up to a system that was founded on beliefs I don't share. Having "God is a Lie" on currency wouldn't infringe on my personal beliefs.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:08:03 AM
TruTenrMan:
"our money says "In God We Trust". Does it really frickin' matter? It's just text on a piece of paper/cotton."
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Easy to say. But what if it said "God is a freaking lie", instead? Would you also be satisfied with the explanation that it's just "Text on a piece of paper/cotton"?

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:07:11 AM
@patchouly, I don't ram my religion down anyone's throat. You disbelieve something and will raise your kids to disbelieve. I believe in something greater than myself, and will raise my kids accordingly in hopes they do so as well.

To quote Morpheus: "My beliefs do not require [everyone] to [believe what I believe]."

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:03:57 AM
I get annoyed when people think they have the RIGHT to not be offended. There is no such right. You have three basic rights (according to the US Constitution): Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness. No one said you had the right to be happy--just the right to pursue being happy.

This country was founded on freedom by men of a particular faith. No one is saying you have to be Christian just because our money says "In God We Trust". Does it really frickin' matter? It's just text on a piece of paper/cotton.

Separation of church and state only means that America will never establish one religion to be THE religion (i.e., The Church of England was for England). You're free to be Atheistic.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 176 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:02:47 AM
5cats, duckboy, et al - no matter how many times you try to insist it's so, disbelief is NOT belief. Don't you understand that words actually have meanings, and you don't just get to cheange the meaning to suit your argument? At best, disbelief could be said to be a position *about* beliefbut it is not itself a belief.
To use 5cats' sports analolgy (where the sports mentioned are all religions), you're trying to argue that sport commentary is a sport too, because in that analogy that's the best analogue you can find for atheistic critique of religion.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:55:06 AM
@5cats,
Holy semantics, Batman. Okay, if you want to play that game; I will say that I believe that I don't believe in God. To be fair though...what freaking difference does that make?

What all of this boils down to is that we, as Atheists, are tired of having religion shoved down our throats. There is ZERO proof of a God yet, year after year, generation after generation, you brainwash your kids and keep the fairytales alive. Then, you try to ram it down my kid's throat.

What we are doing as Atheists, is standing up against that. The actions do not define the title. They are just actions in response to one stimuli. I could just as easily be standing up against the beliefs in a "Corbolate Cat".

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26309 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:10:48 AM
Now the question is: What are your beliefs about Santa...
1 Santa exists!
2 Santa is a fairy story told to children but does not actually exist
3 No such thing as Santa, even as a work of fiction, has ever existed.

Obviously #3 is wrong, eh?

Now apply that to "Corbolate Cat" (Something I just made up)

Until this post? #3 would be the correct answer.

Get it yet?

"I don't believe in..." is an expression OF your belief.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26309 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:05:39 AM
@patchouly: "If you chose not to decide you still have made a choice" - Rush

@El_Chinche: So what is your cousin's BELIEF ABOUT Thor? He's Thor Atheistic, correct? Believing in the non-divinity of a non-existent God is still "a belief" correct? It's "a disbelief". But he can no more disprove Thor than you can prove him.

It has been my experience though that most true atheists persue their beliefs or lack thereof with as much vigor and furvour as any other religious group.

EXACTLY! Well said @jaysingrimm!

@patchouli: "Disbelief in God" would mean you believe NO ONE believes in God's existence if you really want to get anal about it...

"I believe Santa exists"
"I believe Santa does not exist"
"Santa never existed, nor has anyone ever believed in Santa. No likeness, image or story about him exists either, even if fictional"

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:47:31 AM
DuckBoy87:
"@patchouly, I would say a "disbelief" is still a "belief".:
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By definition you are absolutely wrong. "Disbelief" is the opposite of "Belief". A lack of belief is not a belief. Otherwise you'd have a belief system in every possible thing that one could dream up. I don't have to have a belief system showing how I don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, anymore than I have a belief system showing I don't believe in God. The big difference here, between us, is I don't lend any more credence to God than I do to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Both are equally as ridiculous and neither are worthy of having a "Belief system", over.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4632 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:00:34 AM
The previous posts are dead on. "Do unto others" is a rule I live by. Not because I have a fear of God, but because I have compassion and a want to co-exist with my fellow humans in a way that benefits all of us.

jaysingrimm
Male, 30-39, Canada
 418 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:15:01 AM
Me, I'm a bit of an agnostic I suppose. Which is to say, I"ll believe it when I see it...

It has been my experience though that most true atheists persue their beliefs or lack thereof with as much vigor and furvour as any other religious group.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:31:11 AM
DuckBoy87

"@patchouly, I would say a "disbelief" is still a "belief"."

So not believing in santa is in fact a belief in santa?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5097 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:27:42 AM
HalfPintRoo

"Atheism, in a lot of cases, IS a religion."

Much in the same way that not painting is an art form.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 6011 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:01:51 AM
for what it is worth, I don't believe in God, not since I was a child. but for the last 4 years I have been studying philosophy and it has hardened me into an absolute materialist. The more I evaluate things the clearer it becomes- but that has subtly changed my morals- the idea of virtue ethics really appeals. Live a good life, explore fully what it is to be human, use reason etc... some religious people do this, but many simply don't- they blindly accept what they are told, and as far as I can see that means they are missing a large part of what a human can do, and what they should do in order to fully relish their own humanity, using reason.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6406 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:58:04 PM
pacojohnson: Oh, I love that! I want a poster for my workspace. Kudos to whoever said that first.

Atrayu4u
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1479 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:34:13 PM
This might not be fair for that second person to say.. the first guy doesn't represent his whole religion.

pacojohnson
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 15 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:09:52 PM


lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:56:56 PM
"One can follow his teachings but not believe he's god."

Exactly. Just like one can follow Ghandi's. Jesus was definitely a real person with a philosophy that appealed to many people searching for meaning and direction in their lives. The people in power became nervous about this and had him killed. Jesus happened to live in an age where repeated tales became more and more fantastical and an ordinary human became an extraordinary god. Nothing more, nothing less. If people simply took the admirable teachings of Jesus and used them as a basis to live a good and honorable life, without wielding that philosophy as a way to denigrate or abuse others, the world would be much better off. Jesus simply as a role model.

charcape
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 11 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:48:13 PM
@AvatarJohn I cannot speak for all atheists but I learned my moral code from my parents. I was told as a child I shouldn't steal, or kill or anything of the like because that is how society works. But now that I am an adult, I think the reason I keep my moral code is because I wouldn't like something bad done to me. In a way, I can say Christianity is good at teaching things such as "do to others what you would have them do to you". I just don't believe the supernatural part of it.

I think there can exist someone who is a christian and an atheist at the same time. One can follow his teachings but not believe he's god.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3733 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:46:19 PM
@AvatarJohn - Here's a short 2 1/2 minute clip from a Q&A session where Richard Dawkins was asked about Atheism & Absolute Morality that should answer your question.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:38:44 PM
"I honestly can't think of any non-religious reason for morality."

Morality makes life more livable and provides stability to society. That was the entire initial reason for the invention of religion. Primitive man wanted to not worry about getting killed or his stuff stolen or his mate leaving him. Naturally, another primitive won't NOT do those things without fear of a more powerful enforcer, so a god was invented. It's just like Santa for kids. Santa is all-knowing and you won't get presents if you aren't "good". Over time, the basic laws became abused by power-hungry men who distorted the rules in their favor, knowing less-educated people are too fearful to question them.

Atheists don't want to live in anarchy any more than anyone else. Some of the most "christ-like" people are atheists and some of the least profess to be religious.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:35:26 PM

AvatarJohn,
"how does an atheist justify morality?"

We acknowledge that morality is a choice. The difference is we make our own choice rather than having it impressed on us. Religious morality is not absolute. A muslim's morality may vary from a Buddhists. In my case, I believe in one moral law, do not harm others without a just cause. Anything else is window dressing.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 874 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:32:15 PM
So rather than trying to understand the simple concept that Atheism is not a religion, HalfPintRoo goes on to explain her own personal definition. There is the core of how religion survives.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1708 Posts
Tuesday, April 23, 2013 9:19:35 PM
It's possible to be an obnoxious dick and be either religious or atheist. It's also possible to be cool and be either. Being an obnoxious dick is bad (all of you can go drat yourselves), being cool is awesome (keep doing your thing and ignore the as$holes).

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