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I Don't Want Atheism Shoved Down My Throat [Pic]

Hits: 11131 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: sweepofdeath
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HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4469 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:53:12 AM
TruTentrMan

"My entire reason for existence is to be a moral person who strives to be like Christ (i.e., loving others as I'd love myself) as much as is possible."

That is odd because you are always on here, as I recall, railing against gun control and social programs. I'm pretty sure Jesus would be against guns and for helping the poor. Wouldn't you agree?


TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:50:04 AM
Yeah, facing reality is a real bummer. Much better to make up a magical plan for the whole thing. And the point of living is what you make it. YOU decide your lifes direction, not what some organization tells you you should be doing.

Due to the tone of your comment, I won't even respond, Gerry. Again, I'm not making anything personal. All, I said was that I find not believing in SOMEthing sad. I didn't specifically say believing in GOD.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:49:00 AM
TruTenrMan:
My entire reason for existence is to be a moral person who strives to be like Christ (i.e., loving others as I'd love myself) as much as is possible. I strive to be as morally positive as possible."
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You'll find that, sans the whole living for ever in Heaven thing, most Atheists feel the same way and want the same thing.

Here's an interesting thing. As a child, the idea of "Living for the rest of eternity in Heaven" was terrifying. Tomorrow, the day after that, the week after that, the year after that, the decade after that... The idea of living forever, to anyone who can grasp the concept of what that means, is terrifying. It brings me great peace to know that there is an end for me. That I won't have to suffer the horrors that "eternal life" offer.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4469 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:48:32 AM
StickmanJ

"but to say God doesn't exist only amounts to a theory. It can't be proven"

There is a magical invisible tiger that lives in your butthole and if you read the encyclopedia backwards it will come out and give you a lifetime supply of skittles. Now prove that isn't true.

"science clearly states you can't make something from nothing... so how did all of this universe get here? It just is? That's theory and has no basis in fact or science."

OK. We will use that argument. God exists because the universe HAD to come from SOMETHING. So where did god come from? Did god have a god? who had a god, who had a god, who had a god? Into infinity?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it needed a magical being to create it. I'm sure you don't know how an iPhone works either, that doesn't mean God made it.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 454 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:48:27 AM
Yes, that's right. Every week when I go to mass we discuss ways to push our religion of hate down everyone's throat. No, we never listen to Word of God about living a life in service to others, doing good works, helping the poor and sick. NO, it's all about hate and how to be more evil than we were yesterday. /end sarcasm But let me ask you why is your right to no religion supercede my right to practice mine? Religion isn't the problem. People are. People that use religion for evil and hate I'm looking at you radical Islamists and the Westboro Baptist Church.

I only have one question for the Atheists of the world... "Why bother?" If you don't believe in God or that there's anything beyond death, then why bother doing anything? Keep the humans going? Why? Why live through all the pain and suffering and heartbreak if there's no purpose to any of this? Why procreate when we leave only more of the same suffering to our children?

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:48:15 AM
@HolyGod, I said the wrong document title. Sue me. I'm on cold/sinus medication, so I'm "blah". But thanks for taking the one mistake in the entire post to completely ignore the point of the post.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33697 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:48:08 AM

"Personally, not believing in SOMEthing is sad to me. All you believe is that you live and die, and that's it? What's the point of living then?"

Yeah, facing reality is a real bummer. Much better to make up a magical plan for the whole thing. And the point of living is what you make it. YOU decide your lifes direction, not what some organization tells you you should be doing.

StickmanJ
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 18 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:45:57 AM
As far as the "universe always existing and will always be" Nice theory... no basis. The smartest scientists in the world would love to hear your proof, or even a reasonable theory on how something came from nothing.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 172 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:45:25 AM
It's unfair to typify religious belief as mental illness. It's true to say that the patterns of religion take advantage of a number of weaknesses in the way our brains work, but this doesn't mean that the mental faculties of believers are necessarily any more faulty than those of non-believers. I've encourntered plenty of atheists who are every bit as wooly-minded as the most beligerent bible-bashers that other believers prefer to distance themselves from. Just because someone is atheist doesn't mean they're rational, and just because someone's a believerr doesn't mean they're irrattional. Most people fail to consistently apply proper critical thinking to their *own* beliefs, no matter what those beliefs might be.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4469 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:44:36 AM
TruTentrMan

"I get annoyed when people think they have the RIGHT to not be offended. There is no such right. You have three basic rights (according to the US Constitution): Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness."

Can you please, pretty please, PLEASE stop trotting out "the constitution" when you obviously don't have a clue?

What you just said is basically like saying "my favorite line in Romeo and Juliet is "to be or not to be""

Although, my guess is that analogy just went right over your head. Try googling it. Then try googling "Declaration of Independence" and "U.S. Constitution".


TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:44:14 AM
As a believer, do you find your entire reason for existence is to serve your god, or what?

My entire reason for existence is to be a moral person who strives to be like Christ (i.e., loving others as I'd love myself) as much as is possible. I strive to be as morally positive as possible. There may be times where I slip up; sure--we all do. But my sole purpose to be a "good" person in life in hopes that I earn the right to spend the rest of eternity in a paradise.

Knowing that, does the reasoning behind WHY I do what I do really have any affect on WHAT I do in the end to an Atheist. The end result is my being a morally good individual.

StickmanJ
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 18 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:42:07 AM
Patch - I didn't suggest not being able to disprove something added validity to it's existence... those are your words. But if it can't be proven or disproven, there is always a chance. Agree?

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:40:01 AM
@patchouly: So, 76% of the population is mentally ill? Hmm... yeah. Don't believe that one. Sorry. These studies were most likely done by atheist scientists.

@artminki: Yes, I believe in an immortal soul. I also believe that we are tested while we are alive, and the results of the testing decides the fate of my immortal soul. I view my children as a gift from God, and an overflowing of his love in me and my wife's life.

Whether one is moral based upon religion or no religion, does it really matter as long as that person is moral?

Side-note: I am not making any of my comments personal in nature, and for the sake of discussion, I would appreciate it if y'all did the same.

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1246 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:36:22 AM
"Having a faith-based belief is not a mental illness."

I disagree.

"Personally, not believing in SOMEthing is sad to me. All you believe is that you live and die, and that's it? What's the point of living then?"

For me? To reproduce and carry on my bloodline, which is our most basic instinct. The purpose of life, is to carry on life. Don't over complicate it. I'm curious, though... As a believer, do you find your entire reason for existence is to serve your god, or what?

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 172 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:34:05 AM
TruTenr - given what you've said so far, can I assume that you believe you have an immortal soul? If so, how can your life *possibly* have any meaning whatsoever? If you think your consciousness it going to exist for all eternity, then the brief few years you're actually alive in a living body are ultimately CONPLETELY IRRELEVANT. The *only* way your life can have any meaning is if you recognise that it's finite, and strive during your life to imbue it with whatever meaning is important to you. And if the only meaning you can come up with is subservience to a bullying, capricious despot (who may not even exist), then your imagination and ambition is seriously lacking.

You have children. Your life already has far more meaning than any religion could ever give it. It would be a shame to water that down by deliberately (if unthinkingly) limiting their ambitions too.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:30:39 AM
TruTenrMan:
"Having a faith-based belief is not a mental illness."
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Studies have shown that it is indeed a mental issue. That there is something wrong in your brain that makes you accept the idea of God more willingly than another person might.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:28:56 AM
...continued.
As for the "you can't make something from nothing" argument, it is just as empty. It is not unreasonable that time will continue to push forward, infinitely. That there won't be a point where time suddenly stops and everything suddenly stops existing.

Knowing and accepting this, it makes equal sense that time is infinite in the other direction. That matter not need to be created because it always existed. The Universe always was and always will be. No need for a creator at all.


TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:28:31 AM
Having a faith-based belief is not a mental illness.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:28:07 AM
StickmanJ:
"I don't have a problem with athiests not believing in religion or religious beliefs... but to say God doesn't exist only amounts to a theory. It can't be proven, and science clearly states you can't make something from nothing... so how did all of this universe get here? It just is? That's theory and has no basis in fact or science. Be careful how you phrase your opinion, it might prove you're an idiot."
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Ignoring the pure irony of your last statement...

Because you can't disprove something, does not make it suddenly true. It adds zero credence. See the "Russell's teapot" argument to better understand.


Zeegrr60
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1759 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:27:20 AM
I feel bad for people who have religion. I generally feel bad for anyone with a mental illness.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:24:27 AM
Another one that is easy to say. But the way folks reacted to removing the Nativity scene from in front of public buildings is a good indication of how folks really react to the diminishing of their public representation.

Public or Government? If it's Government buildings, I have no issue with that. If it's a public (i.e., privately-owned) building, then they can do whatever they want.

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2513 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:22:54 AM
I'm not pushing it on you. Nor is the Pope. No one says you have to listen to a damn word he says. Don't like religion, why care what a religious leader says? I couldn't care less what an atheist leader says. Is our society saturated by religion? Maybe so. 76% of the US population (in 2008) claimed to be Christian. Is it surprising then that Christianity is so predominate in society?

As for lumping atheists into a group, the lumping I do is lumping them into "I don't believe in God(s)". Is that not an accurate statement?

Personally, not believing in SOMEthing is sad to me. All you believe is that you live and die, and that's it? What's the point of living then?

StickmanJ
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 18 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:21:51 AM
I don't have a problem with athiests not believing in religion or religious beliefs... but to say God doesn't exist only amounts to a theory. It can't be proven, and science clearly states you can't make something from nothing... so how did all of this universe get here? It just is? That's theory and has no basis in fact or science. Be careful how you phrase your opinion, it might prove you're an idiot.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:19:25 AM
TruTenrMan:
"If they just changed it randomly; yes. If it had been that way my whole life (as it has been for yours), I would chalk it up to a system that was founded on beliefs I don't share. Having "God is a Lie" on currency wouldn't infringe on my personal beliefs."
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Another one that is easy to say. But the way folks reacted to removing the Nativity scene from in front of public buildings is a good indication of how folks really react to the diminishing of their public representation.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4082 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:16:01 AM
Religion and the Church are morally bankrupt. They perpetrate evil and spew hatred. They take rights away from other humans and perpetuate an ongoing raping of our children's minds with the non-stop onslaught of brainwashing. The saturation of the Church, within our society is exactly what I am standing up against. It's not a case of "you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want", if you are constantly pushing it on others. That is why folks like me constantly push back. It takes an equal amount of volume to wash out the crap. To let other Atheists know they aren't alone. To help us rise up and put an end to the evils in society that religion creates.

Imagine no religion.

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