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I Don't Want Atheism Shoved Down My Throat [Pic]

Hits: 11140 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: sweepofdeath
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TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:59:33 PM
wow, so many comments, and so repetitive. I mean, nothing new, just the same old thing you can see on any forum about the subject all across the Internet.

So you dont think atheism is a religion? cool. So you do think atheism is a religion? cool.

Really, who cares? The main thing is that we are excellent, and upholding brotherly ways. because without love we're going to get no where. Love one another is an excellent lesson in the Bible, and has many other lessons there in the scriptures to help support it and let it make the change in your life to love one another. Ya, sure some people read that and are now thinking of some prejudicial or biased thing that generalizes a religion or makes the love taught of in the bible less valid, but so what? Prejudice and bias doesn't really have any place in love.


SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4170 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:57:12 PM
Here in the US, that *is* religion--at least as felt by those without it. We (atheists) have no choice but to live with it. And we are in the heavy minority, too, although you'd never know it to hear all of the whine coming from the right...

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 174 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:48:57 PM
5Cats - (more cont.)
Language works because we assign meaning to collections of sounds, and we collectively agree on what those meanings are. When you decide to make your own meaning for words and then try to assert that *your* definition is the only one that matters, you completely pervert the point of language.
'Atheist' is a word, and it means 'not-theist'; not someone who believes in gods. 'Religion' is another word, which means a codified system of beliefs and practises, usually with elements of spirituality and specific rituals. Atheism is just a position of NOT having ONE specific belief - in no way can this be typified as a system of beliefs. I really don't know what you think you acheive by trying to claim that atheism is a religion, but I will not let the utterly dishonest way you're going about it go unchallenged. And I hope you're not actually Christian, because if you are, you're breaking the ninth commandment in doing this.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:40:53 PM
Another biased post. Not every person with faith goes knocking on the doors, neither does every country have "in God we trust" on their money. Not every person with faith is 'shoving their beliefs down people's throats', but living it.

I've seen billboards atheists make of their belief. They go into faith based forums and try to stir up trouble, saying how their way is right and everyone elses is wrong. There is no question they are trying to shove their beliefs down people's throats. Of course, this is just one side, and i have no doubt that some people go in to atheist forums to stir up trouble.

The problem is not atheism or faith, the problem is the extremes that people go to (regardless of which side), and the point of crossing the line into rejecting neighbourly ways, and brotherly love.

You can go there if you want, but it's best to not and just be excellent instead.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 174 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:36:29 PM
5Cats - (cont.) religion is absolutely NOT internal. A religion is a codified system of beliefs and practises followed by a large group of people. What specific beliefs those individual followers draw from that religion is what's internal, but the religion is the wholly external basis of those beliefs. The bible is an external thing, not just an idea in your head. If your religion is entirely internal, guess what - you're not religious; you're probably a Deist (or possibly Pantheist). You'd still be a believer/theist, but you would only be following the internal rules of your own belief system, not the entirely external rules of a religion.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 174 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:23:51 PM
5Cats - no, no and once again no.

Atheism is not a belief that gods don't exist; it's a LACK of belief that they do. Why can't you understand how fundamentally different that is? You have to *choose* to believe something (or be convinced to believe it) - I have never either chosen or been convinced to believe in any such thing, so I've never had any of those beliefs. That isn't a belief; that's a LACK of belief.

I'm afraid it's *you* who's confusing observation with the actual activity - after all, you're the one trying to insist that commentating is a sport (that atheism is religion), not me. You're right - commentating is a way of watching sports, not taking part. Just as atheism is frequently the root of criticising religion, NOT taking part in it. Atheism is not golf, it's commentating.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4537 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:14:11 PM
TruTenrMan:
"religion (n.): people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life.

Atheism IS a religion, though it isn't an organized religion."
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I'd question that definition; At least the "concerning the existence" part (which is the basis of your argument).

By your definition, I am also part of the "There is no unicorns" religion. I also belong to the "There is no tea pot in space" religion; And I belong to the "there is no purple people eaters" religion...and on and on for ever.

Everything can't be a religion. What I believe is that Christianity/religion is a sham. I am an Anti-theist.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4537 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:06:50 PM
frnttrndy:
"While Atheist and Christians try to wear the other thin Satan is looking from behind. You Know when You Know"
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You realize that is pretty much illegible, right?

frnttrndy
Male, 50-59, Midwest US
 49 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:59:54 PM
While Atheist and Christians try to wear the other thin Satan is looking from behind. You Know when You Know

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 12:00:37 PM

HolyGod
"Is not playing basketball a sport?"

That made me laugh.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:58:53 AM
Man, I just LOVE these religion debates!


lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:53:24 AM
"Is not playing basketball a sport?"

I'm the Shaq of not playing basketball!!

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:49:45 AM
"Atheism IS a religion, though it isn't an organized religion."

This is the same kind of argument as when people say "A Mac is a pc, you're stupid, nana nana boo boo". Or when people say "I'm not homophobic. I don't FEAR gay people."

Everybody knows what people really mean when they use the term "religion".

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3619 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:49:12 AM
@TruTenrMan - Can you not read? The definition you just posted for religion says, "WORSHIP OF A DEITY OR DEITIES" and you follow that up by saying "Atheism IS a religion, though it isn't an organized religion."

Now, please tell me what "deity or deities" Atheists worship. If you are able to do so, then I'll believe you when you say Atheism is a religion.


HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4970 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:47:16 AM
TruTentrMan

"Atheism IS a religion, though it isn't an organized religion."

Is not playing basketball a sport?

chicagojay
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1807 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:45:06 AM
"attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

TruTenrMan
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2565 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:40:13 AM
religion (n.): people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life.

Atheism IS a religion, though it isn't an organized religion.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:39:02 AM
"all have a beginning and end. PROVEN. Raed more... it helps."

Ever heard of the law of conservation of mass? Things come and go all the time but the total amount of mass in the universe always stays the same. Maybe YOU should read more.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:32:37 AM
"The smartest scientists in the world would love to hear your proof, or even a reasonable theory on how something came from nothing."

Your primary assertion that something came from nothing is based entirely on what you read in the bible. "In the beginning, God created the heavens and Earth." So it's not based in science and reality. You can't start a scientific proof with a religious foundation.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4537 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:32:26 AM
5Cats:
"Auto correct re-spells your name, sorry if it came up patchouli before... "
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No worries. It's actually my cat's name and I don't think he minds. ;)

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4537 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:29:47 AM
5Cats:
"it's a different "universe"
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Well, no...it's not. It's just taken on another form. Time still marches on. The matter is still here. The point I'm making is that everything didn't sudden;y pop into existence. It was always here, in one form or another. Or at least, that's my belief system, backed by lots of science and proof.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:28:51 AM
" "Why bother?" If you don't believe in God or that there's anything beyond death, then why bother doing anything? "

I believe in ME and the positive differences I can make in other people's lives. Why else would I recycle and live a fairly green lifestyle? I won't live to see the benefits so I must be doing it for other people's benefits. I don't need an omnipotent being or promises of a heaven to tell me to be a good person.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:25:58 AM
I can't prove Santa and the Easter bunny don't exist. Many books have been written about them and there's a ton of movies and tv shows and other commerce surrounding their "existence". Many people all over the world, albeit usually very young people, believe in them. Their parents and other adults tell them they exist and you should be able to trust your parents. So, do they really exist?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24427 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:10:28 AM
And I honestly don't care what you call your "Atheism"... it's no skin off my teeth.

(2 hours until I'm at the dentist! eek!)

But to claim I'm mistaken in MY understanding requires you to "prove it"... sorry if that sounds confrontational, it's not intended as such! Merely observational.

Like... watching sports! As opposed to golfing with a baseball bat.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24427 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:06:53 AM
The current state of the Universe will end.

@patchouly: It's a different "universe" then, correct? In a different dimension. That means this one (which we briefly occupy) in this dimension will cease to exist (move) correct?

Auto correct re-spells your name, sorry if it came up patchouli before...

Meanwhile: Yes! Every single possible belief or non-belief is included in your personal "belief system" by definition!
Standard "forms" of beliefs are lumped together by different people as being "the same" but chances are they are not "identical" eh?

Even two "identical things" are not really identical, since they occupy different locations is space/time, eh? So to argue that "my belief in the existence (or not) of God is not identical to yours" is... moot.

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