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I Don't Want Atheism Shoved Down My Throat [Pic]

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5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:38:42 PM
@HJolyGod was a typo... (honest!) but calling you @JollyGod is highly tempting at the moment...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:36:39 PM
Lot's wife is turned to salt for LOOKING.

@HJolyGod: You're working under the mistake that the Bible was written in English: it was NOT. The translations of various languages INTO English often leaves much to be desired. Especially when there's "slightly different" interpretations of what the original words meant!

The word(s) used for "look back" (what Lot's Wife did) could literally have meant to return somewhere and look around -in the original language-.

Don't impose the limitations of English on another person's BELIEFS! It's RUDE.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:32:07 PM
Stupid cutoff! I should have used TinyUrl!

Anyhow, MY definition is that an Atheist KNOWS THERE IS NO GOD. Websters agrees.

KNOWING is not the same as "having no opinion" eh?

If you have an opinion on the (non)existence of God? You're "in the game" and not "on the sidelines"

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:27:49 PM
For the record:
Atheist One who DENIES the existence of God (or a Deity)
Atheism The DOCTRINE that there is no Deity
Doctrine Read it yourself! Lazybones!
Lazybones

Finally: Agnostic

@artmunki: I say that someone who believes in a Deity is a Theist, someone who "doesn't know" is

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4598 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:24:30 PM
whodat6484:
"My theory on why religious people are so quick to get angry when defending their "faith" is that they can't bring themselves to admit the fact that they've been trolled their entire lives."
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I think that's it in a nutshell. I honestly believe that, with the exception of the real nut jobs, most religious people know, there is no God. How could they not? The evidence is overwhelming. I think they cling to it because it's all they have, but deep down, they know it's fake.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25772 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:21:52 PM
If your religion is entirely internal, guess what - you're not religious; you're probably a Deist

@artmunki: Bingo! I am indeed a Deist.
I should have said "worship is internal". It's one specific part of religion, although if you don't "have religion in your heart" I doubt very much it's "real" eh?

Faith, Worship, Deeds.
Faith is internal: No one can "give you" faith like it was herpes. You "find faith" in your own way.
Worship is internal: What you do or say on the outside isn't "worship" even though it reflects what your FEEL inside.
Deeds: The ACT of worshiping (prayer, sign of the cross, washing one's feet & etc) as well as everything you say or do.

Anyhow, what you believe is entirely up to you! I'm just saying what I believe and expect nothing as a result.

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:39:45 PM
@TheGuySmiley - There is no god, religion was invented to control the masses using fear and intimidation, not love. No wonder you're such a douchebag, I'd be pissed too if I was lied to my entire life and wasn't smart enough to realize it.

My theory on why religious people are so quick to get angry when defending their "faith" is that they can't bring themselves to admit the fact that they've been trolled their entire lives.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:33:41 PM
TheGuySmiley, as I explained before, *those* laws aren't Christian-based. They're far older, developed far longer ago than Christianity and the Hebrew Bible, and were born of the need for everyone to get along in community, not of religious imperative.

But, laws based in Christianity like prohibiting atheists from testifying in court, or from holding office, or laws criminalizing homosexuality, etc., are *not* good for society, *not* good for our culture or country, and *not* good for togetherness as a nation.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:30:00 PM
If you're going to challenge dishonesty Smiley, start with yourself. You know fine well that Smag was specifically addressing the imposition of false religious "morality" to restrict the freedoms of everyone, regardless of belief. The laws which help make it safe to walk the street are derived from common natural philosophy, NOT from religion. These rules are common to almost every human culture we know about, past and present, and predate any current religion.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:23:40 PM
patchouly: open another tab in your web browser, and then go and find that chant. When you find it, compare the words of the chant vs. what you say here that i said. When you find it, you may benefit from a dictionary. Then using some common sense you might be able to see that they are two different things completely. Then, if you feel like it, you can take it up a notch and try to figure out why? You probably already know the answer.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:19:31 PM
SmagBoy: i know where you're coming from, but you can't deny that it has affected our laws in a positive way. After all, most people do like the fact that we can walk out on the street without some one with a gun killing everyone that walks past, or robbing them of their money and clothes. That being said, there have been times when people have taken it to the extreme and it turned out badly, nourishing more of hate and fear rather than love.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:13:28 PM
artmunki: i'm just saying it's not really my cup of tea. Granted, i do try to correct dishonesty as well, like with my first post on this thread. But i feel my time is better spent doing other things than going on and taking it to the max. we're all unique though

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:13:16 PM
Oh, and GS - I too have encountered plenty of dishonesty from the atheist camp. And you know what - when I encounter it, I challenege that too. I've already done so a couple of times on this thread. This is precisely why I'm thinking about writing a series on criticsim of public athesim. Dishonesty is still dishonest even when it comes from someone you otherwise agree with, and should be challenged just the same. That's the basis of proper critical thinking - you have to question the ideas you agree with just as rigourously as those you oppose. And developing my capacity for critical thinking is the main reason I got interested in the religious debate in the first place.

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4598 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:11:30 PM
SmagBoy1:
"I wish YOU peace and love."
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I take it you missed his "Death to the President" chant? He seems to have issues with actually applying the "years of studying love" that he claims.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:04:10 PM
Fair enough, TheGuySmiley. I will never begrudge you your faith or religion.

The ONLY problem I have with religion is when it tries to impose itself into laws that govern all of us. That's patently unfair, and, IMHO, not very loving. But please know that I wish YOU peace and love.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:03:03 PM
Sorry Smiley, but that's completely missing the point. If someone wants to critique problems with atheists/athesim I'm all for it (I'm actually considering a series of essays/maybe videos on exactly that topic myself), but if they want to do so *honestly* they have to critique what atheism *is*, not whatever is convenient for them to think it is (in order to make their argument). As I said, I care about honesty (far more than I care about a simple concept like atheism). Making up your own definition for something and then arguing against that definition is what's known as a Strawman Argument - a particularly common and dishonest logical fallacy. And anyone arguing that atheism is a belief system or a religion is making a Strawman argument. Do you think there's something wrong with challenging dishonesty, or anything admirable in defending it?

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:01:52 PM
The only thing atheists have in common is that we don't believe in the existence of a god or gods. If you want to call that a religion, be my guest. You're already in the habit of naming that things that don't exist (God, Allah, Zeus, etc.), so, it's pretty par for the course far as I'm concerned.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 3:00:24 PM
SmagBoy1: Love is the way of the future no doubt. I've studied many faiths and ways of love, true neighborly love, like what we see in some videos on here sometimes (the motorcycle guy and the old guy recently). I'm not going to say i'm an expert on it, but after studying for years, I've come to see that most of the important keys to understanding the depths of love are contained within the pages of the Holy Bible. the reason i think this is good is because it's all contained there in one book, there's no running around to look for lessons. Plus, if anything ever happened, you can grab it right quick and take it with you to be sure the important lessons are with you. To me it's like an ancient zip file.. there are many scriptures that can be expanded into a lifetime of wisdom. But hey, thats just me, and to each their own.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:49:42 PM
artmunki: I've seen the same happen with people claiming to be atheist too. But honestly, i can see how people say it is a religion, and i can see how people can say it's not. It's really no concern of mine if someone calls it one way or another, it's just a word, a name. But i can relate, because i've never really seen my faith as 'religion', since it's a bit of a dumbed down name for it. But i understand it helps some people to understand it and makes it easier for them to speak of, and i'd be just wasting time trying to correct every person i come across on the internet..

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:46:05 PM
TheGuySmiley, it's interesting that you think of "Love One Another" as a Christian ideal or goal toward which to strive. I mean, sure, it's in there, sure, in the NT. But it's also a basic tenet of Paganism, which predates Christianity by just a wee bit. And, fact is, all of the big ideas of the Bible (10 Commandments, etc.) are all just good rules for civilization and were around thousands of years prior to the Bible.

So, yes, let's love each other. But don't force your form down our throats. It's not unique to your book, nor did it come from there. It's a human condition, brother.

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:42:55 PM
HolyGod - that's not entirely fair. Yes, there are bad things in the bible (actually, there's a LOT of bad things), but there are good things too. True, you have to be extremely selective to only get the good stuff (sometimes stopping mid-line), but you're just as guilty of cherry-picking the bad stuff as Smiley is of cherry-picking the good. You can't justify faulting him for that and then doing the exact same thing (from the opposing perspective).

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:40:53 PM
HG: "Instead of complaining that the rose bush is full of thorns, be happy the thorn bush has roses."

artmunki
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:37:14 PM
GuySmiley - who cares? Well clearly I do, for one. I care about honesty and what's actually true. I care about morality, and what's actually good. I care about reality, and what's actually real. And when I encounter someone expressing dishonest or immoral ideas in a public forum (and I'm the mood), I care passionately about challenging that dishonestly or immorality. The only reason you keep hearing the same things again and again is because theists keep perpetuating the same tired, dishonest depictions of atheism (or, for that matter, the same tired, dishonest theological ideas), and atheists continually try to correct them. Not that it makes anyh difference, bcasue they'll ust come back and perptuate the exact same lies again next time. Believers tend not to let mere pesky facts get in the way of clinging to their beliefs.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:36:40 PM
Genesis 19

Lot offers his virgin daughters up to be gang raped.
Lot's wife is turned to salt for LOOKING.
Lot has sex with and impregnates both his virgin daughters.

SOOOOOO much love. Hahahahahaha.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5028 Posts
Wednesday, April 24, 2013 2:19:58 PM
TheGuySmiley

"Love one another is an excellent lesson in the Bible, and has many other lessons there in the scriptures to help support it"

Where? Do you actually read the bible? The whole thing?

Because I see god dishing out wrath, vengeance, misery, and torment with little regard and for the most trivial and selfish reasons.

"Ya, sure some people read that and are now thinking of some prejudicial or biased thing"

Nope. I'm thinking of the bible. The words in the bible.


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