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Obama Says Gun Lobby Willfully Lied After Senate

Hits: 4481 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Friday, April 19, 2013 11:06:12 AM
scheckydamon-" The ocean is a harsh mistress."

I thought that was The Moon....

scheckydamon
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 361 Posts
Friday, April 19, 2013 4:14:33 AM
MeGrendel and Squrlz, right and right. I actually did a trade with my barber for my 9mm. I have known him for 6+ years and he is a good guy. I would not ever do a craig's list sale of a weapon. Those that do are usually shills for selling guns to the folks that shouldn't have them in the first place.
I have never had an issue with back round checks in the most general of terms. BUT then I am a law abiding person who has nothing to hide. My current work requires me to have a security screening every 2 years that would put a gun check to shame. I do worry that MY government would use the information acquired for other things.
Squrlz, it was an honor to serve and save lives. Have to say though that 50% of our rescues could have been avoided if folks just had a little common sense. The ocean is a harsh mistress.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9867 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:15:09 PM
Petulant baby, throwing a fit because the bill he was sure his Senate would pass, let it fail. He was planning for the House to kill it, so he could blame Conservatives.

Sorry Barry. Didn't work.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 8:03:41 PM
Squrlz4Sale-"I don't think you should be selling a gun to a felon or a mentally ill person"

Two points: I don't plan on selling a gun to anyone I don't know and trust.

But us Law Abiding citizens are not the problem. Criminals, on the other hand, are. Why, they've occasionally been know to break the law.

So, who exactly are these laws aimed at? The law abiding citizen. So the law will not do any good.

Second point: You CAN NOT POSSIBLY enforce a law controlling person-to-person sales. Hell, you can't enforce a law controlling person-to-person sales of automobiles, which are much larger and much more traceable.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:44:08 PM
@MeGrendel: "It doesn't matter if the transaction takes place in a gun show or in a McDonald's."

EXACTLY. I don't think you should be selling a gun to a felon or a mentally ill person at a gun show OR in the parking lot of McDonald's. You do?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:13:05 PM
Squrlz4Sale-" is that anyone can purchase a gun at a gun show from a private seller without a background check."

Well, seeing that anyone can purchase a gun OUTSIDE of a gun show froma private seller without a background check means that the so-called 'gun-show loophole' is a fallacy.

The law does not change when you enter a gun-show. If, by law, I can buy a gun from my friend without a background check, it doesn't matter if the transaction takes place in a gun show or in a McDonald's.

lauriloo-"If things like that need an ID, shouldn't a dangerous weapon?"

They don't require an ID, they require a proof of age. When you buy alcohol, tobacco or movie tickets your name is not run through a database.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:45:42 PM
@lauriloo

Doing without all the things in this post because you don't have ID would have little to no impact on a person's life.

That's really an opinion more than anything. There are many activities that require licensing or permits that are arguably as important as voting; for example: a bar owner needs an alcohol license (his/her livelihood is on the line), fishermen need permits to fish, and so on.

I still do not think you've offered a reasonable explanation why voter ID laws are racist and other such laws are not.

The right to vote is WAY more important in the big scheme of things than having a gun, especially in our current society.

Again, this is your opinion viewed through your own bias. Many people require licenses and permits in order to do the work they do to feed their families. Is this not at least as important to them as voting?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 6:38:43 PM
@lauriloo

If things like that need an ID, shouldn't a dangerous weapon?

Whoa now - that's an entirely different argument. We can discuss it further if you'd like, but my response is ID laws should be controlled by the states.

My question was regarding the nature of ID laws. You claim that the act of requiring an individual to have an ID in order to vote is racist; yet, on the other hand, in most other cases, it is not racist to require an individual to have an ID before performing an action. My question was: how do you justify seemingly opposing logic?

I'm not sure why you think needing an ID to get a gun is racist in the first place.

I don't... I don't think it is racist to require someone to have an ID to vote either.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:48:29 PM
@Scheckdamon: First of all, thank you for your service in the USCG.

I have no problem whatsoever with your gun ownership, nor do I think you should have to register them in a federal database. Pat Toomey (R, PA) and Joe Manchin (D, WV), the sponsors of S.649, ALSO have no problem with your gun ownership, nor do they think you should have to register them. They included provisions in their bill SPECIFICALLY to forbid the creation of any such database.

What their proposed legislation would have prevented you and other gun owners from doing was selling your firearms to someone who is a convicted felon or who has mental disabilities making him a danger to himself or to others.

I cannot understand why any responsible gun owner would have an issue with that.

lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
 1805 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:46:41 PM
"Alcohol, tobacco, movie tickets all require an ID. Are these laws racist?"

If things like that need an ID, shouldn't a dangerous weapon?

I'm not sure why you think needing an ID to get a gun is racist in the first place. Doing without all the things in this post because you don't have ID would have little to no impact on a person's life. Not being able to participate in determining who makes the laws and policies that impact your life does. The right to vote is WAY more important in the big scheme of things than having a gun, especially in our current society. Might be different in current day Syria, but not in the USA.

scheckydamon
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 361 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:33:02 PM
I joined the USCG at 17. I flew helicopters to rescue DumbAZZ'SES from their own stupidity. I served in what most consider an " UN-traditional " branch of the military. BUT we SERVED to protect everyone's constitutional freedoms. I have guns. Not a lot. A 9mm, an old 22 rifle I've had since I was 15 and a 12ga single barrel shotgun. I have purchased them legally from Kmart, the shot gun and 22, and the 9mm from my barber. I have never had to draw down on anyone in self protection or in anger. I will not willingly or otherwise register, surrender or give up my guns to any one. I also agree that anyone may have the opinion that I should not have them. I will respectively disagree but I will not yield that option to anyone. I vote, every election, and I communicate with my elected officials in that if they do not do what I put them in office to do, I will do everything in my power to remove them.
That is government for and by the people.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:17:06 PM
@Megrendel:

"If I buy a gun from a dealer at a store, I have to have a background check. If I buy a gun from a sealer at a gunshow, I have to have a background check. If I buy a gun from my brother, or a neighbor, I am not required to have a background check."

The scenario you fail to mention--despite the fact that it was the MAIN FOCUS of S.649--is that anyone can purchase a gun at a gun show from a private seller without a background check.

I would encourage anyone who doubts that this loophole exists watch THIS video. For $2800, the investigators purchased three semi-auto handguns, one semi-auto rifle, and an assortment of clips. The transactions were conducted in cash with no receipts or records of any kind. No ID was required, no names were given.

If that doesn't strike you as a problem, it should.

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:10:02 PM
BOOYAA!! Put that bitch down like a rabid dog.
See where YOUR senators stand on gun control.
Here

Here

Here

Here

cityncolour
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 379 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:00:08 PM
@scapegoat7
...i got a job without a background check.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:57:22 PM
scapegoat7-"can't get a job w/out background check but can get all the guns you want, wtf???"

A background check is not required for a job (outside of sensitive government jobs). If a company decides to run a background check, that's for theirr own purpose, and has nothing to do with any legislation.

Plus, it's entirely possible to get a job without a background check. So your equivalency is flawed.

If I buy a gun from a dealer at a store, I have to have a background check.
If I buy a gun from a sealer at a gunshow, I have to have a background check.

If I buy a gun from my brother, or a neighbor, I am not required to have a background check (which makes sense, as you could never regulate such an asanine requirement, anyway).

RedOnTheHead
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 92 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:42:51 PM
He get's that 90% number from 1 poll of 1,000 people.If he really has the support of 90% of the people, that's enough change the constitution. So what's stopping him? He also claimed 90% of law enforcement backed him, the policeone polls show police are 95% against his proposals.
When Sen Murphy was speaking before the vote he mentioned military style weapons like Lanza used capable of firing 6 rounds a second. That's a lie. He's representing a fully automatic assault weapon as the type of rifle he's trying to ban.
The next amendment to come up was grassleys(r)for mental health, school safety and funding so police could enforce the current laws. That one failed too. But it was the same crowd that wanted background checks that sank Grassleys amendment.Diane Fienstien voted against funding to enforce current laws while Calif. has 39,000 guns in the hands of 19,700 criminals or mental patients because there's no money to go out and collect them.

scapegoat7
Male, 18-29, Western US
 201 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:39:47 PM
can't get a job w/out background check but can get all the guns you want, wtf???

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4159 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 3:09:57 PM
5Cats-"Coyotes and @Squrlz... getting along."

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1829 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:49:59 PM


fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1829 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:47:19 PM
Don't worry about it, Obama. You're just not that strong of a leader. Some sort of legislation will get passed one day, but not under your watch.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23942 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:24:22 PM
O_o @Coyotes and @Squrlz... getting along... agreeing to disagree?

It's a crazy world today! Crazy!

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:16:34 PM
It's still racist. ~shoos Random off the stage~

(I keed, I keed!)

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1162 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:07:08 PM
So now Obama complains about lies. Can Republicans complain about his lies too now, or is that still racist?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:04:54 PM


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23942 Posts
Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:03:06 PM
What a crybaby!!

Hey Obama! Did you parade the people who SAVED lives WITH guns? No? Then STFU because what you did WAS just a "publicity stunt" and nothing short of emotional blackmail too!

Honestly: This is indeed a "disgraceful moment" in US History, but it's because of the President's actions, NOT congress...

Oh yeah, he didn't mention Democrats who voted it down? What a surprise!

90% support? Bullshiite! The "concept" had support, but THIS BILL was nothing like what the US Public wants!

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