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Employers Preference?

Hits: 4813 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: sutra46
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3642 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 5:49:37 PM
jops360-"thats just so great of you to generalize an entire race by the actions of one individual"

Except, of course, he's not basing it on the actions of ONE individual.

There is a reason the term 'Mad Black Woman' exists..and it's not because of a movie by Tyler Perry.

Just look at I-A-B...when you see a description of an group of women going batpoo crazy, what race first pops into most readers heads?

And, the majority of the time, they are correct.

And not, they are not the majority, but there's enough that act that way to propagate the stereotype.

Just as there's just enough caucasions living in mobile homes that act in such a way to propagate the 'white trailer trash' stereotype.

I realize it's not PC, but stereotypes are usually based on the very real actions of a significant portion of those being typed.

jops360
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 279 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:40:02 AM
crakerjak - thats just so great of you to generalize an entire race by the actions of one individual. you are being the very definition of racist. better to save these types of thoughts for your local klan meeting than to spout them to others, unless you like being considered a total dick/racist. better yet, go find "these people" and tell them to their face what you think or are you too much of a pussy.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:50:25 AM
"they're no different than anyone else."

Unless "they" are the type that gets pissed off on a bus and throws their baby to a stranger to beat someone up that "Dissed" them.

I don't care what color you are, behavior like that pretty much disqualifies you from being human. No one want to hire an unreformed hood rat.

Wendypants
Female, 30-39, Canada
 1936 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:16:37 AM
It's things like this that make me laugh when I hear crap about America being the land of freedom and equality.

gary8162
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 732 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 6:15:44 AM
I've hired black men & women, white men & women, and latino men & women and I've found one universal constant. Skill & talent know no color boundaries. The driving force behind any good employer is going to be results. Believe me, a good employer won't care one iota about a person's color.

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2517 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:50:10 AM
I just need to add that, there isn't anything to be scared of. They need to quit acting like "little white man bxtches" because it's childish. I've had black women work under me who are just wonderful to have on the team. Of course I'm a white dude. And I can't stand that scared shxt, they're no different than anyone else. They're just being treated different for no good reason.

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2517 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 4:45:37 AM
After spending quite some time off the production floor and in the midst of managers.. one thing stuck with me: White men are deathly afraid of black women. Period. I've seen serious brow-beaters give everyone else the flux, until they have to talk down a black woman. They won't do it. They won't touch that. They're afraid of being labeled as racist or the making her angry and being the subject of a black woman's fury. They're not racist in a hateful sense, they're racist because they're scared to death.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:28:46 PM
And this is why they are proposing a non disclosure policy in the netherlands, i.e. no personal info on your resume. (still don't see how that would change the interview part but hey.. just saying)

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11737 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:03:14 PM
Statistics are a bitch.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:59:00 PM
"Yeah this isn't a scientific study but it is pretty obvious what was going on."

Which brings us back to my original question, "who's fault is it that no one wants to work with a black woman?"

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:31:12 PM
Oh and one more thing. She may have something she doesn't know about out there about her specifically that's making her look bad, something some recruiter could just google and find or something. This made-up white person obviously isn't going to have that.

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:28:14 PM
I'm a white girl and I get emails and phone calls almost every month for insurance sales jobs. I really hate the idea of selling insurance but if I wanted to I could get it (and probably be horrible at it.) At the same time, I've applied to hundreds of jobs, and interviewed for dozens, but I rarely have any success anyway. I usually interview well too. Doesn't matter, there's ALWAYS somebody better than me.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1578 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:49:16 PM
For those saying the account was new, if you listened closely they said she first created an account with "decline to state" and got no responses. It wasnt until she specifically said white before she got a lot of interest. Yeah this isn't a scientific study but it is pretty obvious what was going on.

freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11183 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:24:46 PM
unfortunately the test here has too many variables to know for sure what was up


Really? What are they? The exact same information was entered in terms of education and experience. The only thing that was different was the name and phone number. Almost every response was to the person with the Caucasian designation. Where are the variables that could affect this?

Bakcagain21
Male, 18-29, Europe
 553 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 12:50:11 PM
There has been some studies which showed just having a black sounding name and you get less offer's for interviews.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3614 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 11:42:28 AM
Well, unfortunately the test here has too many variables to know for sure what was up, but, and so while this wouldn't pass the rigors of an academic study, it pretty much verifies what we already know to be true. It'd be one thing if the different was 10% or 15%. So, while, as I say, this can't be used as an academic demonstration under requirements of rigor, and while it is only anecdotal, it's compelling because, in fact, the numbers were so considerably different. Oh well.

DingDingDong
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1500 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:36:31 AM

It's because her new listing is NEW. So it shows up in the new listings stream for these hiring managers. This story is dumb. Correlation does not imply causation.

BigWaFuu
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1162 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:20:43 AM
One thing 'Yolanda' needs to consider is that she had an existing profile for a couple of years. Presumably, hiring managers from that time may have marked her profile as "unhirable" at some point or dismissed it. So despite the fact that Yolanda returned to college and advanced her education, may not have meant anything if no one was looking at her profile.

However, when hiring managers see the new profile, not marked as a "bad hire", they obvious jump at the new prospect.

I argue that it may have had nothing to do with the declaration of race and more to do with the practices of how companies hire and blacklist applicants online based on a very brief encounter.

Remember it's not the actual CEO of the company sitting there digesting his t-bone steak while puffing cigar smoke with satisfaction. Its just some person. This person could be any race and they skim hundreds of profiles and make a 5 second determination based on key words. Someti

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:46:29 AM

It'd be more interesting if she created an account for each race, to see which ones came out with the most offers. I suspect a latina or asian would still get more job offers than a black woman. That's just a guess of course.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16145 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:28:30 AM
This is why I believe the "race" question on employment and other applications should be illegal. The content of ones character is what's important. It's better for an employer to do proper background checks than consider race.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 10226 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:21:43 AM
+1 Gerry. I've not had any good experiences. I am sure there's many good ones in the world, but the (many) bad apples have soured the field for the rest. When you freak out on somebody, bear in mind you can be partly responsible for impoverishing your race.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1578 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:17:50 AM
And I bet all of hiring managers believe wholeheartedly that they carry no prejudices. It takes a lot of self-reflection to truly be honest with yourself.

mic_bastid
Male, 18-29, Western US
 83 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:08:33 AM
There is a fallacy in the reasoning, if she lost her original job under poor circumstances that could be following her, there would need to be more than one person dooing this in order to claim a trend

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:44:20 AM

Who's fault is it that no one wants to work with a black woman?

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2389 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:18:34 AM
Link: Employers Preference? [Rate Link] - It's that easy to 'just get a job!'


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