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USDA Discovers When Life Begins

Hits: 4865 | Rating: (1.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CrakrJak
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fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1816 Posts
Monday, April 15, 2013 2:45:03 PM
I think I'll bang my girlfriend tonight and purposely knock her up, just to give the abortion doctors some business.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4757 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 3:50:04 PM
cramium

"So and embryo is a sacred human life. What about a blastula? As in just a ball of cells? If that's a human life, what about ova and sperm? They're haploid cells, but they're alive, and I don't have to tell you where most end up. Doesn't is seem to you rather arbitrary to ring a bell the moment a sperm penetrates an egg and call "Human life!!"?"

I don't know if you meant "sacred" in a religious sense, but my views on abortion have NOTHING to do with religion.

A blastula is just a stage of embryo development yes? So I don't see the distinction you are making.

Ova and sperm are not the same thing. If you leave an ova or sperm alone it simply dies. If you leave an embryo alone it becomes a baby.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16676 Posts
Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:12:15 AM
MrOrange: That's because the -cillins and -cyclines are pretty much our top notch antibiotics and if they stop working we are in a world of hurt.

That year I got an infection in the hospital that required IV antibiotics, they had to use one of the strongest ones they had. Finally after two weeks of treatment I was able to go home.

Don't want to see anyone go through what I did.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2286 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:09:19 PM
Crakrjak

I love dancing, but prefer to do that with women,
so to remain on the subject. I've posted a qoute containing the fda antibiotics and growth hormones, it's not that hard to find info on it as it is quite a controversial subject. Profit versus public health. We do agree on the livestock situation though and once again you lucky S.O.B. for living where you do.

"For 34 years, the FDA considered the routine use of penicillins and tetracyclines in animal feed, for purposes like growth promotion, a public health threat. The agency had moved in 1977 to withdraw its approval for these animal feed products on the grounds that such use had not been shown to be safe for people. That official stance remained on the books until 2011."

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16676 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 8:10:10 PM
MROrange: "antibiotics are used as a growth treatement"

There are no growth hormones or steroids in antibiotics. I know that antibiotics are used more heavily in crowded lots and small caged animals. I detest that sort of mistreatment of animals, that's simply not done out here where I live.

As I said though, probiotics are being experimented with and may have benefits for people that eat the meat from animals that are treated with them.

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carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6290 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 6:30:43 PM
HolyGod:
Not looking for a debate, just an answer. So and embryo is a sacred human life. What about a blastula? As in just a ball of cells? If that's a human life, what about ova and sperm? They're haploid cells, but they're alive, and I don't have to tell you where most end up. Doesn't is seem to you rather arbitrary to ring a bell the moment a sperm penetrates an egg and call "Human life!!"?

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4757 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 5:00:15 PM
"Dude, I have been verbally and adamantly pro choice my whole life and on here several times."

Woops. I was a little tired. I meant verbally and adamantly pro life. I am against abortion in any case other than rape or health to the mother. Forget incest, that isn't a valid reason.

However at the same time I want free and readily available contraceptives and birth control so that unwanted babies aren't being had.

If republicans REALLY wanted to stop abortions they would allow sex education to be taught in schools and make birth control and condoms free and readily available. Those are the things that will stop abortions.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2286 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 10:52:15 AM
Crakrjak,

I'm sorry to say this.. But OldOllie is right, antibiotics are used as a growth treatement which is the main reason farmers world wide get in a hissy everytime someone say's they need to cut down on the antibiotics. (pretty sure a lot of antibiotics are on the banned for athletes list as well, but not sure) Just google it and you'lle see why there is a tug of war between health of consumer on the one hand and profit for the farmer on the other hand.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16676 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 9:50:11 AM
Ollie: "antibiotics don't actually make the food any safer. They allow the animals to gain weight faster."

I disagree, if they are gaining weight faster it's because of what they are fed, not the antibiotics. In fact, antibiotics have the opposite effect most are indiscriminate and kill bacteria throughout the body including those needed for digestion. That results in weight loss, not gain.

However that weight loss effect is minor compared to what animals are fed. Probiotics (good bacteria) are becoming a trend toward better health, not only in humans but in animals as well.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11460 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:38:55 AM
rights to life differ from the food chain

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2286 Posts
Saturday, April 13, 2013 7:23:27 AM
Yess! thank you! oh lordy, thank you. thank you. thank you.

So you rightwing fellows al happy 'bout one govt. deparment claiming life starts at the embrionic stage? yes? this is good news yeah? them be talk'n 'bout chickens ya'll. Now don't you guy's go runnning around saying you're better then animals and have the right to do anything you please to them? But now that it suits your argument... Personally i'm still out on this one, but I do agree that some of you do appear to be running around like headless chickens!

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4757 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 11:45:36 PM
auburnjunky

"OH MY GOODNESS! 50 points for HolyGod! Respect!"

Dude, I have been verbally and adamantly pro choice my whole life and on here several times.

There really is a whole list of things I am VERY right wing on. I just like debating you f.uckers about the economy, guns, religion, and poverty. ;)

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9862 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 11:38:26 PM
"I happen to believe it is."

OH MY GOODNESS! 50 points for HolyGod! Respect!

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3658 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 10:58:05 PM
Interesting - supreme court vs. supreme bureaucracy. Who will out?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12850 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 10:35:04 PM
In most cases antibiotics keep our food supply safe.

CJ, the antibiotics don't actually make the food any safer. They allow the animals to gain weight faster. The effect of residual antibiotics in the meat is somewhat controversial, but the USDA says the levels are low enough not to pose a threat.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16676 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 9:51:52 PM
Ollie: Yeah it appears one branch of the gov't says life begins in the embryo and another says otherwise. This leaves a legal conundrum which will have to be resolved.

I'm siding with the USDA on this antibiotic ruling by the way. That's not to say that I believe antibiotics in animals is inherently harmful. In most cases antibiotics keep our food supply safe.

Of course care must be taken so that they are not over used, no one wants to see AB resistant bacteria arise.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12850 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 9:23:44 PM
So, the official position of the US government is that embryonic chickens are chickens, but embryonic humans are discardable medical waste, right?

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 8:31:11 PM
When the antibiotic is injected is irrelevant here. What's important to consumers who choose to buy antibiotic free chicken is whether or not the antibiotic is in the chicken that consumers buy, which it is.

To me, what's a far more important issue is that the abundant use of antibiotics by factory farms is contributing to antibiotic resistance in pathogens that infect humans.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4757 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 8:05:53 PM
An-egg

"I am not one of them, but I respect their food choices."

Well, I don't. They don't eat bacon, and bacon tastes like bacon.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 830 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 7:25:28 PM
@HolyGod
or a group of desert dwellers discovered what they shouldn't eat in order to remain alive.

They probably made the right choice as they are still living thousands of years later.

I am not one of them, but I respect their food choices.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 4757 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 5:54:53 PM
Agent00Smith

"That is a the whole idea behind "Kosher""

HUH?

The idea behind kosher is that an all powerful sky fairy told a group of desert people that it was a sin to eat an animal with a clovin hoof, among other things.

Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2096 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 5:26:15 PM
Any man made alteration in our food is no good. That is a the whole idea behind "Kosher" and I second it. Unless you like being a government guinea pig, eat organic.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 1964 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 5:08:03 PM
Pro-choice and anti-abortion views aside, if there are artificially introduced antibiotics in the chickens, I don't see WHEN they were introduced makes any difference- they are still present. A lie is a lie.
If the idiots at the nearly ineffectual and always bribed USDA can't reason that elementary bit out for themselves, than they should be fired.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33873 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 4:49:28 PM

We don't want no anti-buy-ah-ticks. We wantz sick chikenz. Chikenz wit dizeez'z tastez more better.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 23855 Posts
Friday, April 12, 2013 4:16:48 PM
Excellent! It's funny, but not in that "haha" way, eh?

I mean the post is funny! The ruling isn't.

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