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The North Korean Nuclear Crisis

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EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:20:47 AM
Clearly this man is more informed than the U.S. Military. *rolls eyes*

Sure, say the media is misleading than use only media as references, genius.

RoboPatton
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2429 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:16:28 AM
Not saying I agree with the video, but some politicos would gladly inact war for financial or political gain.

Also, holy poo this video has a lot of maraca shick-a-shick-a-shick.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:52:59 AM
5cats, How in the crap do you misspell the word "God"?

@sonofd: On purpose, that's how! It's useful to draw attention to it.

@Modwain: You miss the point: This video and certain IAB idiots claim the "sanctions KILLED 500,000 CHILDREN" and no adults apparently... highly selective, eh?
Anyhow: 500K / 4 years = 125K CHILDREN per year.
So THEY (not ME) want 2 more years of sanctions? That's 250,000 more DEAD CHILDREN!
I say that's bullcrap, the sanctions were:
#1 Imposed and enforced by the UN
#2 If Saddam chooses to feed his army rather than his people? What can we DO about that?
#3 War is what happens when Diplomacy fails. Here it obviously failed after 4+ years, correct?

How'd we get "here" from NK? Because right now, YEARS of sanctions have FAILED to stop the nuclear weapons program in NK, that's how.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13451 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 6:01:40 AM


Facts are not your friend. Now tell me how much sense it makes to leave there if it were about oil.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13451 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 5:49:35 AM
That, and to secure the oil.



ROFL!!

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:07:27 AM
basicly, all you are saying 5cats, is that there is only one form of diplomacy, and it is inforeced by gunboats...

is 4 years long enough? i dont know, i doubt it to be honest, but the usa has spend far longer then 4 years to get Saddam in power. The whole war thingy was a wet dream of GWB. That, and to secure the oil.
Not really sure how we got here from NK though

sonofd
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 51 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:54:16 PM
5cats,
How in the crap do you misspell the word "God"?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 4:00:05 PM
1998 October - Iraq ends cooperation with UN Special Commission to Oversee the Destruction of Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction (Unscom).

As Ghod is my witness @chalket: you are being stupid ON PURPOSE! It's from YOUR source, so feel free to attack it.

Saddam let them back in, it's true! But when they actually tried to inspect something? They were told "we cannot guarantee you won't be killed". So they left, AGAIN!

SO: Oct 1998 to Nov 2002 = 4 years
That's NOT long enough for sanctions to work? srsly.

Haven't you gotten enough "irony burns" for one thread? Y'all should just admit I'm correct and give up already. You're really embarrassing yourself...

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:26:30 PM
(continued)

2002 November - UN weapons inspectors return to Iraq backed by a UN resolution which threatens serious consequences if Iraq is in "material breach" of its terms.

2003 March - Chief weapons inspector Hans Blix reports that Iraq has accelerated its cooperation but says inspectors need more time to verify Iraq's compliance.

2003 March - UK's ambassador to the UN says the diplomatic process on Iraq has ended; arms inspectors evacuate; US President George W Bush gives Saddam Hussein and his sons 48 hours to leave Iraq or face war.

Source

For some reason, I trust BBC News over your revisionist ideals, 5Cats.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 3:24:10 PM
Come down off your high horse, 5Cats, the altitude will give you a nose-bleed.

"So a UN agency claims the UN sanctions killed the children?"
It has even more validity when it's self-criticism, eh?

"doesn't touch my c) argument"
Maybe because your "c) argument" is sheer idiocy! The very thought that ANYONE, liberal or conservatard (to steal your fave suffix), should FAVOR killing thousands of Americans, 100's of thousands of Iraqis and blowing around a trillion dollars as a means to ending sanctions. Sheer idiocy, I tell you! Now stop it and grow up!

While you're at it, STOP REWRITING THE PAST! "WHY do you think the sanctionswere imposed IN THE FIRST PLACE?"
First, UN sanctions on Iraq started in 1990 when they invaded Kuwait. (Then we bombed all hell out of their water and power grids for good measure, that shouldn't hurt civilians, right?) Second,

(continued, @#$% inaccurate character limit)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:42:58 PM
5Cats how you dare to swear?!!!


@piperfawn: What? This:

Jesus Tapdancing Christ!


That's not swearing! It's "blasphemy" (lolz!)

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:41:16 PM





Further stupidity will result in further taunting!
You have been warned @chalket!

piperfawn
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3888 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:37:36 PM
5Cats how you dare to swear?!!!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:33:38 PM
Aren't you one of those often spouting "The United States IS the UN"? Well, for the most part that's true.

Quite the opposite, but don't let a little thing like BEING 100% WRONG stop you...

What a laugh! In just 6 hours of meetings with Kim Jong Il, Madeleine Albright was somehow able to accomplish what others had been failing at for decades?

I strongly suggest you "lookitup" dude. She came back and Clinton CROWED about how they'd "solved the problem" with North Korea having a nuclear program! He lifted lots of (if not all of) the current US sanctions against NK.
Of course NK didn't stop it's nuclear program at all... NOW who's re-writing history?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25758 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:27:35 PM
@Foote: Nope, it's true! The biggest of the 3 NK has "popped" was about half the tonnage of either two WW2 bombs...
Still big though! Only a scale of degree to make a whopping BIG BOMB once you know how to set them off... (that's the hard part).

@chalket: So a UN agency claims the UN sanctions killed the children? It still doesn't touch my c) argument.

"The liberals" I know were opposed to military action in favor of letting the WEAPONS INSPECTORS run their full course to have "full effect", not the sanctions.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ are you JOKING? It's April 2 today dude! WHY do you think the sanctionswere imposed IN THE FIRST PLACE? Because Saddam threatened the lives of the inspectors and they had to flee the country! This was a DIRECT violation of the Cease Fire.
A big difference you need to learn more about.

Oh the irony! It BURNS...

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2139 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 12:16:01 PM
I thought all of this was to help feed the military industrial complex.

chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:23:28 AM
@Mr.5Rats
a) 500,000 is the UNICEF figure, look it up.
b) what?
c) I personally don't know any of "the liberals" who were for the sanctions. "The liberals" mostly know that civilians pay the biggest price. "The liberals" I know were opposed to military action in favor of letting the WEAPONS INSPECTORS run their full course to have "full effect", not the sanctions. A big difference you need to learn more about.

#2 UN sanctions? Aren't you one of those often spouting "The United States IS the UN"? Well, for the most part that's true.

#3 "negotiated" the end to their nuclear program? What a laugh! In just 6 hours of meetings with Kim Jong Il, Madeleine Albright was somehow able to accomplish what others had been failing at for decades? Rewrite history much? LOL

greenbasterd
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2344 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 11:00:56 AM
i like kimmy boy.. guys got guts

Foote
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 106 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:39:37 AM
Lost me at "Much less powerful than the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.." PLEASE!?

Modwain
Male, 30-39, Europe
 303 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:35:12 AM
old ollie, are you that old that you do not know the behaviour of the young anymore?
I was always told that the best way to get kids to go to a certain area is to tell them they cant go there.. and if you want to make sure they dont go there, you tell them what it is and take away any curiosity in that direction.

Funny enough, all teh war rethoric has been in line with the do not go there aproach, but i have seen very little explanation kind of rethoric. We dont want them to have boms? then give them a world in which they dont need them, dont give them a world that proves they need them.
Is the north korean government a good one? hell no, but figthing fire with a bigger fire only proves that the bigger one is fire too. i like to put out fire with something else.

oh, and for those of you that dont understand? fire consumes oxygen, guess who needs that. Then you will also know who will suffer the most

whodat6484
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 3712 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:31:34 AM
Yeah, he lost me right off the bat with the B-2 drills, which were part of that annual exercise. He's basically saying that the US response to North Korea's threats, flexing that B-2 muscle, is what's causing them to threaten us.

It's basically some douchebag college kid's attempt at making a shocking, tell-all Youtube video. Full of sh*tty graphics, flashy images, piss poor narration and that stoopid f*cking ominous music that's supposed to set the mood but overpowers the narration completely.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17172 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 10:17:37 AM
OldOllie: You hit the nail on the head.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13451 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:57:05 AM
Yes and I suppose the death camps seen by satellite and written about by escapees are a fabrication "ob da ebilz USA!" There's a good reason pretty much every country on earth is cutting them off.

ak4775
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 369 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:48:46 AM
Yeah nothing new here except the pretty vid of flames. Just some dude regurgitating facts he heard on tv. Anybody who pays attention to world news already knows this, but I will say that the posturing by the US is childish and useless agitation. Un isn't doing anything that Il hadn't been doing before he kicked the bucket.

djwajda
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 851 Posts
Tuesday, April 02, 2013 9:30:21 AM
Oh please,Lil Kim and his country have been given so many chances it isn't funny.

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