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Temp Refusing To Follow AGW Predictions [Pic+]

Hits: 7207 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:25:58 PM
The UK has very strict libel laws and no first amendment, how do these yellow journalists get away with publishing all their lies that contradict anthropogenic global warming?

(that was sarcasm, just for the record)

Recently a bunch of UK journalists got into a lot of trouble for illegal behavior, they worked for Piers Morgan's paper, not the Mail or the Telegraph.

Now, you said "that very article as been widely demonstrated to be entirely untrue." and yet it quoted directly from the Judges report.

Just because you don't like something does not make it untrue. See, that is how real science works.
Later you said, "Did the judge find that the 96-minute film contained a handful of inaccuracies? Yes, absolutely. "

Whereas the "entirely untrue" article said "Al Gore's environmental documentary An Inconvenient Truth contains nine key scientific errors, a High Court judge ruled yesterday."

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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:20:00 PM
Again, calling me eccentric merely means that I don't agree with the dogma.

@An-egg Actually, calling you eccentric means you're egg shaped.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:17:13 PM
@An-egg: Look, friend: I'm going to hit the reset button here and offer you a fresh start. Stop pretending that you're a physicist because, frankly, I'm feeling embarrassed for you.

You're now calling AGW research "pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo," which tells me you've never even been exposed to any of the actual science but are, instead, getting your information second-hand from climate "skeptic" blogs.

Allow me to introduce you to a scientifically-literate website on climate change. Spend an hour or two looking around and reading. If you approach it with an open mind, there's a real possibility you'll learn something.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17292 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:16:28 PM
Squrlz: The actual data proves that AGW is a myth.


Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:57:28 PM
@An-egg:

"Then the money will go to real scientists researching real science."

I'm sorry, but you are absolutely hysterical. Keep 'em coming! =^.^=

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:55:19 PM
@An-egg: Lastly, regarding *An Inconvenient Truth* and the lawsuit: It appears to escape you, but the judge found for the DEFENDANT, ruled that there was no reason to bar the showing of the film in classrooms, and found the film "broadly accurate." In short: Your side LOST.

Did the judge find that the 96-minute film contained a handful of inaccuracies? Yes, absolutely. Does the finding of a handful of inaccuracies in an hour-and-a-half film judged to be "broadly accurate"--a film made by a politician and not a scientist--somehow invalidate a mountain of scientific work, spanning decades, that makes the case for anthropogenic global warming?

Only on FOX News--and, apparently, in your ill-informed mind.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:48:35 PM
A liar too, now. Clearly calling attention to the scam that is global warming, the money made by people conducting this pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo, and portrayal of hunch and misinformation as fact by the media to influence legislators is reducing your argument to name calling again.

Hope you can hang on to your job when people realize what's going on and the plug gets pulled. Then the money will go to real scientists researching real science.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:29:58 PM
@An-egg: "your cult"

I absolutely love this. I'm following the path of published scientific knowledge; you're following the path of blogs and articles that have been repeatedly demonstrated to misrepresent science. I'm following the position of NASA, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the U.S. Geological Survey, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration,and the U.S. Navy. You're following the path of FOX News and a few eccentric bloggers funded by conservative think tanks and the oil industry. Yet I'm the one with the cult. Riiiiight.

Whatever, friend. You completely lost all credibility when you lied about being a physicist. So pardon me if I have a hard time taking you seriously.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:29:10 PM
I am not going to continue. What part of these statements which clearly show a pattern of either incompetence or deception do you not understand?

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:28:03 PM
And, "In scenes 8 and 9, Mr Gore shows two graphs relating to a period of 650,000 years, one showing rise in CO2 and one showing rise in temperature, and asserts (by ridiculing the opposite view) that they show an exact fit. Although there is general scientific agreement that there is a connection, the two graphs do not establish what Mr Gore asserts. "

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:27:13 PM
And "In scene 20, Mr Gore states "that's why the citizens of these Pacific nations have all had to evacuate to New Zealand". There is no evidence of any such evacuation having yet happened. "

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:26:40 PM
The judge found

"This is distinctly alarmist, and part of Mr Gore's 'wake-up call'. It is common ground that if indeed Greenland melted, it would release this amount of water, but only after, and over, millennia, so that the Armageddon scenario he predicts, insofar as it suggests that sea level rises of 7 metres might occur in the immediate future, is not in line with the scientific consensus. "

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:21:36 PM
An-Egg: What is it about the following words you don't understand? "I have no doubt that Dr. Stott, the Defendant's expert, is right when he says that: 'Al Gore's presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate.'"

Those are the words of Justice Burton. You are spectacularly misinformed. Oh, and a liar about being a physicist. There's that too. You go, dude!

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:16:42 PM
As opposed to someone who is apparently incapable of recognizing the dishonesty and scientific illiteracies in a movie by Al Gore. A movie which has been shown, in court, to contain inaccuracies and deception but is still believed to be true, at least by the people who were trying to get children indoctrinated into your cult with it.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:43:31 PM
@5Cats: You know what? I was beginning to compose a response to your last two posts and it has occurred to me that this is an utter waste of time. Truly, I have much better things to do than teach remedial science to (1) a person pretending to be a physicist and (2) to you, someone who is apparently incapable of recognizing the dishonesty and scientific illiteracies in an article published in the *Daily Mail*.

Have a great afternoon! =^.^=

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:41:25 PM
Not going to bother reading this new page. I was just looking for a Dr. Daveymid ultimate smack down. He makes the deniers look so stupid it is funny to read.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26157 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:25:37 PM
Does that help?

That helps the Anti-AGW side, actually! thx!

"We don't know for sure, and our models are all over the place, but unless we spend trillions of dollars and destroy the West's economy? THE SKY WILL FALL!"
"How will we know if you're right?"
"Easy! The temperature will rise! Or fall. Or it might stay the same. It will rain less, droughts everywhere! Or it might rain more..."
& etc.

But first: spend TRILLIONS on schemes that not only "might not work" they may even make the problem WORSE!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26157 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:21:17 PM
where all the world's climatologists and scientific bodies have signed a secret pact to not challenge the findings of anthropogenic global warming is--

@Squrlz4: I believe the term you're looking for is "100% Correct".
The "climategate e-mails" ALL of which are now public record, clearly show the creators of AGW doing the following:
- faking data
- laughing about how fake their data is (not wanting it to be "too fake")
- self-referencing each other's papers
- conspiring to "ostracize" anyone who DARES oppose them

All of the above do NOT qualify as "science" in any way, you cannot "hide the decline" without surrendering ALL your credibility!

Thus far your entire argument seems to be:
- it's only 1 time, and 1 in 20 is still OK
(this is sort-of true)
- you are wrong
(this is "kindergarten" tactics)

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:15:25 PM
@An-egg: Your last few posts suggest you don't understand why there are currently several hundred different models of AGW being tested. Odd that I have to explain this to someone who is a professional physicist, but whatever.

While the fundamentals of AGW are now well understood, there are countless aspects of the phenomena that are not and which are the focus of much debate, much data collection, and are the basis of many of the computer models. A good example of this is the role of aerosols. Aerosols are particulates sprayed up into the air, as when a volcano erupts. The key question here is, Do aerosols heat up the planet or cool it? On the one hand, aerosols are known to block sunlight and decrease the amount of thermal energy absorbed by the Earth. On the other hand, aerosols often serve as nuclei for condensation, which promote cloud cover--which tends to increase the greenhouse effect.

Does that help?

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:56:36 PM
(Cont'd)

Here, verbatim, was the finding of the Justice Burton:

[quote"> I turn to AIT, the film. The following is clear: It is substantially founded upon scientific research and fact, albeit that the science is used, in the hands of a talented politician and communicator, to make a political statement and to support a political programme.... I have no doubt that Dr. Stott, the Defendant's expert, is right when he says that: "Al Gore's presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate."[/quote">

Here's a link to the written judgment so you can read it for yourself.

Curious that a professional physicist, like yourself, would be linking to an article that has been widely discussed in the scientific community as a travesty of journalism. Hmmm.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:53:14 PM
@An-egg: Interesting that you should link to that *Telegraph* article because that very article as been widely demonstrated to be entirely untrue.

The *Telegraph* article says that a judge found Gore's move contained "nine key errors." That is egregiously dishonest. In his judgment, the Justice Barton did use the word *error* nine times--by putting the word in quotation marks to indicate he was rejecting the plaintiff's allegations. Sally Peck, the author of the *Telegraph* article, misrepresented the judge's use of the word to distort what happened in court.

(Cont'd next post)

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:51:36 PM
stick for social engineering.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:45:33 PM
Maybe, instead of explaining to me that there are a lot of different views on the cause of global warming (Different models means different views, I got that right?), you should get on to some of the politicians who use it as a stick social engineering.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:42:28 PM
I presume you'll be praying to the deity that is AGW and cannot be questioned, whose very existence is so politically convenient, about whom no ill- word may be spoken, for a couple of hotter years.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 870 Posts
Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:39:46 PM
You saw the original post?
I believe that was the climate change model used by the UN, if the Daily Mail is not totally making this stuff up.
I am pleased that there are several hundred computer models currently being tested. You understand that they are models, that is good too.
See how positive and encouraging I am being, in spite of your personal attacks.
Why then are these models, which presumably differ to some extent, somehow proof that anthropogenic global warming exists?
If there are several hundred models, how is jury out on anthropogenic global warming?
Global warming, anthropogenic or otherwise seems to have come to a halt for the last 15 years. Does this not ring any alarm bells. I may not be a very good physicist, but I know when a scam is being perpetrated and when something being portrayed as fact is found to be a lie in open court.



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