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Temp Refusing To Follow AGW Predictions [Pic+]

Hits: 7204 | Rating: (1.8) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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jkfld
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 138 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:53:38 AM
"authors of nearly 90 percent of [climate change denialist] books from publishing houses (others were self-published) had ties to conservative think tanks such as the Competitive Enterprise Institute, the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Marshall Institute."

http://bit.ly/YYmm3V

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:49:19 AM
@FoolsPrussia: Look at the "range" for their future predictions: about 0.6C.
Their "analysis of the past" range? About 0.4C.
That's a HUGE difference! And it still doesn't match what's actually happening, nor what will happen in the next 5 years...

I predict tomorrow it will be -6C +/- 1C
I predict tomorrow will be +2C +/- 10C

See? If it's -7C tomorrow, I'm STILL RIGHT!

EMEMBER: This is the actual predictions, matched with the actual temperatures, not "if maybe perhaps could be" ok?

Yup, 99% of all ACTUAL EXPERTS

@MasterJedi: Go argue with @markust, HE SAYS it's only 70%

@LordJim: It's already been proven beyond ANY doubt that the AGW people deliberately manipulated their "models" to match the data. Your link is full of fail.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12078 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:43:43 AM
The Daily f*cking Mail? Really 5Cats? Why not just jump the shark altogether and start linking articles from the National Enquirer?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:40:33 AM
It's ok, you know better now!

@Evil_Eye: Yup! "Climate Change". If the climate gets warmer? AGW! If the climate gets colder? AGW!
Oh wait, that's bullshiite and you know it, why defend it?

it is about causing extreme changes in weather patterns...

Because weather patterns NEVER CHANGED before humans arrived, eh? Never, not once! Ice Age? Creationist Myth!! Proven to have never happened by AGW!

We still haven't figured out what to do with the nuclear waste from the 1980s.

@Gerry1: They DID "figure it out" and studied it 100X over. Obama killed it the minute he got into office. Why? idk, why'd he kill Keystone one week, then next week proclaim how Keystone was making new jobs and HE deserved all the credit? I just don't know how "liberals" can wrap their minds around these things...

MasterJedi79
Male, 30-39, Western US
 16 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:26:49 AM
Yup, 99% of all ACTUAL EXPERTS can easily conclude that global warming is an actual serious threat. Even this graph shows how much the earth has warmed up WELL BEYOND normal over the years. And one "ANTI-GLOBAL WARMING EXTREMEIST" starts spouting off "See, it's not that bad". OH YES IT IS. It's just not as EXTREME as some of the high forecasts, thats all. What a weirdo. Yes, global warming is real, all the major cities and countries hitting RECORD highs year after year + the 10 hottest years in our worlds history have all occured in the last 15 years.
FACT ... NOT SPECULATION. Some people are stupid is as stupid does I guess.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:25:08 AM
I don't understand their assertion. It's still a clear rise in temperatures, and still appears to be within the range of prediction.



mocrules
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 55 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:23:50 AM
Trololololol... 5Cats all day.. you people don't learn... Troll

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:13:46 AM
Gerry1of1:
"Hardly conclusive that global warming isn't happening. Just shows that it is not happening quite as quickly as predicted. Still happening.

And even if Global Warming weren't real, cleaning up the air is still a good idea. We have to breathe that crap."
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+1

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4597 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:12:49 AM
Blah, blah, blah. How about this? Don't worry about the names and the data, stop polluting so the air isn't so polluted. Take one look at the air over Los Angeles and tell me again how reducing pollution is a waste of time.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10:22 AM

"Then ask yourself why the ONE SINGLE BEST non-polluting energy source, Nuclear Power, is NOT supported by the AGW crew. "

Non polluting? We still haven't figured out what to do with the nuclear waste from the 1980s.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:07:02 AM

Hardly conclusive that global warming isn't happening. Just shows that it is not happening quite as quickly as predicted. Still happening.

And even if Global Warming weren't real, cleaning up the air is still a good idea. We have to breathe that crap.


LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4585 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 10:00:51 AM
Science reporting from the Daily Mail. You have to be kidding.

There's a fairly detailed rebuttal here.

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:56:05 AM
IAB Climate Change Debate 1

IAB Climate Change Debate 2

Squrlz4Sale
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6018 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:54:22 AM
Basically, the problem here is that we have a small group of IAB'ers who are so ideologically driven that they are entirely inaccessible by science on the topic of AGW. I've trotted down this debate path before and it's absolutely fruitless. I'm not willing to waste more hours today arguing with people who dismiss the findings of NASA, the National Academy of Sciences, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the U.S. Geological Survey, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. Navy, and virtually every climatologist on the planet--all of whom stand by the science of anthropogenic climate change.

For those curious as to how these AGW debates on IAB usually play out (and how much time they waste), I'll provide links in my next post to two fairly typical exchanges. Enjoy.

Evil_Eye
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1451 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:50:11 AM
@5Cats: "Silly me! Here I thought "warm" means "warm"!"

It's ok, you know better now! If it helps your confused mind, we will call it climate change for you. That way you will know it is about causing extreme changes in weather patterns and not making us savings on heating bills.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:49:48 AM
@FoolsPrussia: Then why have TRILLIONS been spent on crappy power sources, while NOT ONE SINGLE new Nuclear Power station has been built? Anywhere in the whole world?

There were (iirc) 15 NEW applications to build N-Power in the USA right after AGW "took off". Not one of them got to "first base" never mind approved!

"Follow the money." Timeless Wisdom.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:44:51 AM
"Then ask yourself why the ONE SINGLE BEST non-polluting energy source, Nuclear Power, is NOT supported by the AGW crew. "

I've never seen a survey that states that climate scientists oppose nuclear power as one solution. In fact, I'm sure a lot of them support it. I personally think it can be a good temporary solution as long as they use Generation IV reactors and have proper oversight.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:43:25 AM
Fun fact: Oil companies generally support global warming hypotheses. It's a good way for them to get even more subsidies. The rich are getting richer off this stuff.

I'm not really disagreeing with the brunt of global warming, it's just that a lot of you are being apocalyptic about it while the robbers are walking away with your money and the poor get socked. More scientists probably do believe in the apocalyptic scenario, yes. But I am in the camp of Henrik Svensmark. And the history of science tells us that the current consensus is often proven wrong. The guy who came up with plate tectonics was on the "fringe" for a long time. It also took decades after Dalton's model of the atom to find out the correct one. Even Bohr's wasn't correct.

And after the false hockey stick graph, an inconvenient truth, and the deliberate falsifying of climate data by scientists (climategate), you wonder why there are skeptics?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:34:32 AM
Then ask yourself why the ONE SINGLE BEST non-polluting energy source, Nuclear Power, is NOT supported by the AGW crew.

Lower greenhouse gas than Hydro.
Lasts 5X longer than Wind.
Works 24/7/365 unlike Solar.
TINY amounts of waste compared to "clean coal".
(coal's waste is actually MORE radioactive than Nuclear...)
AND safer than Natural Gas power...

Tell me again why billions were spent on GARBAGE while Nuclear power was blocked at every turn?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:30:53 AM
(59%), or human activity and natural causes in more or less equal amounts (11%), were the primary causes."

@markust: So by YOUR post? 30% of all these guys think it's NATURAL? Gee, that's not what I've been hearing for years, it's 98% supported! So the AGW "true believers" tell us...
>>See: "Appeal to Popular Belief" Science isn't resolved by yelling: "Survey SAYS!"

@Panzerlenis: Trillions of dollar wasted = harms the poor.
Counter-productive = makes it worse

The majority of "AGW Cures" fall into those two categories.
Ask the Germans how they feel since their electric bills have DOUBLED entirely because of "green initiatives".
Ask yourself why China and India are "exempt" from Kyoto Accord restrictions...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25650 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:24:34 AM
knows that "global warming" isn't the globe getting warmer...

@Evil_Eye: Silly me! Here I thought "warm" means "warm"!
So if it gets warmer? AGW = Proven!
If it gets colder? AGW = Proven!
>>See: "Unfalsifiability" in the list of "Logical Errors" m-kay?

Yeah, let's trust a conservative British tabloid.

@markust: yeah! Because if they print the findings of the MIT? That makes the MIT's findings faked!
>>See: "Appeal to Ridicule" in "Logical Errors" 'atta-boy!

There's an enormous, well-funded propaganda mill...

@Squrlz4: Oooo-Kay. It's a "vast right-wing conspiracy" just like Hilary said it was!
>>See: "Circumstance ad Hominem" in the "Logical Errors". Best thing I ever posted...

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1573 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:19:25 AM
Humm so a boffin on the dole for an Oil Co. is automatically full of it and not to be trusted but the boffin with the AGW money machine behind him HAS to be correct. See the incongruity? Anybody? Buller, Buller?

Global warming and Govt. health care. With these two machines government will be able to make you comply with ANYTHING they want. It's either bad for you or bad for the planet. Either way you get it in the shorts.

pazerlenis
Male, 40-49, Western US
 921 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:16:15 AM
Unsettled? I find it bizarre that we have to prove global warming beyond all doubt before we do anything about it. If GW exists but we do nothing = VERY BAD. If GW doesn't exist and we do something = a waste of effort and money. I'd rather prepare for the event that never happens, as opposed to not preparing for the event that could make us all extinct.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:14:46 AM
@Andrew155, buried in the links of your op-ed there is the actual American Meteorological Society Member Survey on Global Warming. End of page 5 are the views about global warming. "A very large majority of respondents (89%) indicate that global warming is happening; in contrast few indicated it isn't happening (4%), or that they don't know (7%). A large majority indicate that human activity (59%), or human activity and natural causes in more or less equal amounts (11%), were the primary causes." Funny, that's not what what you op-ed says.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Friday, March 22, 2013 9:04:16 AM
@Andrew: That is a survey of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta. Hardly an accurate representation of the scientific community.

Not to mention most of those "scientists" are employed by the oil and gas industries.

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