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$22 Minimum Wage: Could It Pass Congress?

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Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:12:32 PM
Ha ha, kind of like the Joker had a different story for his permanent grin. And I have seen real genius - I in fact, adore it. But I just don't remember that particular line. Shame

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Thursday, March 21, 2013 6:53:28 AM
Suicism-" think the girth of the pickles is an Oedipan symbolism"

Actuallly, it just a quote from a very good movie. (Real Genius)

And the thumb is Horst from Ratatouille, who always had a different story:
"I defrauded a major corporation."
"I robbed the second-largest bank in France using only a ball-point pen. "
"I created a hole in the ozone over Avignon. "
"I killed a man... with *this* thumb. "

keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2580 Posts
Thursday, March 21, 2013 12:51:24 AM
Right, so when minimum wage goes to $22.00 an hour, a gallon of milk will now cost $11.00.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15136 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:09:59 PM
@HG I've successfully run my own business since I was 20 and I'm starting up my third right now.

Let's hope this one actually turns a profit.

I use the term "stupid liberal f***tard" to refer to people whose contribution to society is considerably LESS than zero, i.e., the country and the world would have been a better place had they never been born.

And trust me, you really don't want to compare your IQ to mine.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:14:07 PM
Holy God - "If your business is such that you need 40 more hours a week of labor but you can not afford $360 a week in wages then you are a failure at running a business. "

Demand in of itself is not an indication of failure on the part of the entrepreneur, unless he is selling something nobody wants - and demand is affected by a variety of factors, including those outlined by MeGrendel below.

The influence of demand also sufficiently addresses the first paragraph of your rebuttal.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 7:09:25 PM
I think the girth of the pickles is an Oedipan symbolism.. as for the other symbolism - is that Team Fortress or something? I like asking people things instead of googling them, 'cause googling isn't a verb. Stop underlining googling in red, I know already chrome.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:00:15 PM
In my thirties I found myself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at me.

In my forties, I once killed a man with this thumb:

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:55:27 PM
HolyGod-"The REAL companies out there with a massive majority of minimum wage employees are billion dollar businesses like McDonalds, WalMart,and PizzaHut."

McDonald's and PizzaHut are FRANCHISES. The owner of each store purchases the franchise from the corporation. The corporation does not pay the owner of the store, nor do they pay the employees. The owner of the store pays the employees, and they are not 'billionaires'.

As for WalMart, the average worker at Walmart makes MORE than minimum wage. It's pretty much a given if you work at Walmart and make only minimum wage it's because you're a crappy worker. If you demonstrate that you have a good work ethic and are good at your job, you WILL make more than minimum wage (for that matter, if you had both of those, you wouldn't be stuck at minimum at any business).

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13611 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:40:57 PM
In my twenties I became ruler of a small tropical island full off sexy asian women by popular vote. They shower me in gold and beg to be my sex slaves. Now for my thirties.....

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5185 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:14:52 PM
MeGrendel

"Avon doesn't count."

You can try to be condescending if you want but I run my own little agency and was billing $200k a year in my 20s. I certainly don't need your validation.

You guys always want to trot out the example of the hypothetical small business desperately needing to hire more employees while sitting RIGHT on the line where a $1 wage increase will force them out of business.

Get real. The REAL companies out there with a massive majority of minimum wage employees are billion dollar businesses like McDonalds, WalMart,and PizzaHut.

They can afford it JUST fine but they rather keep the money so they get their lobbyists to run propaganda campaigns to get you to think this is all about the little guy.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:57:16 AM
HolyGod-"I've successfully run my own business"

Avon doesn't count.

HolyGod-"What was your point supposed to be?"

The point was the part you omitted. If the cost of labor increases, the additional employee(s) will not be hired, or existing employee(s) let go, and the remaining workforce will be asked to take up the slack and cut back on off-time.

And that doesn't even begin to take into account the reduction in business due to higher prices and more unemployed, resulting in less profit and the need for less work force, resulting in more layoffs.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5185 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:45:14 AM
MeGrendel

"You've obviously never run a business."

I've successfully run my own business since I was 20 and I'm starting up my third right now.

"Employers will hire additional employees to accomplish additional tasks, to reduce the workload on the existing employees or the give greater coverage in the event an employee is absent."

All examples of employers needing to hire someone. What was your point supposed to be?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 11:38:51 AM
HolyGod-"No employer in the history of business has ever hired an additional employee unless they needed to."

You've obviously never run a business.

Employers will hire additional employees to accomplish additional tasks, to reduce the workload on the existing employees or the give greater coverage in the event an employee is absent.

When they can no longer afford it, the existing employees will be asked to work more and will not be able to take time off as easily, and the business will suffer when they are out.

When they REALLY can't afford it, existing workforce will be reduces and the remaining will have to take up the slack.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5185 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 10:37:41 AM
Suicism

"You're looking to hire another employee. That would only cost you an additional $8.00 per hour... Let's raise the minimum wage by $1.00... Except now you can't afford to hire that first one anymore. "

No employer in the history of business has ever hired an additional employee unless they needed to. If they need to hire another employee then they do whether it costs $8/hr or $9/hr.

If your business is such that you need 40 more hours a week of labor but you can not afford $360 a week in wages then you are a failure at running a business.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 579 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:55:45 AM
Why stop at $22? Why not make it $50? or $100? Or more? Isn't it fun what you can do with other people's money?

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4865 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 6:18:12 AM
SPrinkZ-"Absolutely illogical. The burger place needs burger flippers. Thus burger flippers are vital. Burger flippers are people. 'People are not vital for the position."

Where your logic fails is equating 'people' with 'an individual'.

Yes, you need ANY PERSON to flip burgers..that 'position' is vital. BUT, when you can pull anyone off the street and they'll be able to flip burgers no particular INDIVIDUAL is vital to that position.

SPrinkZ-"Minimum wage is supposed to be the minimum liveable wage that can be offered."

Incorrect. Minimum wage has never been defined as a 'liveable wage'. It was designed to be.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:30:17 AM
Very simple you goddamn idiots (not you, i-a-b'ers) - Say you have 8 employees - and they all make $8.00 an hour. You're looking to hire another employee. That would only cost you an additional $8.00 per hour.

Then, suddenly, this Warren mensae gets a bright idea - so bright, it's blindingly naive. Let's raise the minimum wage by $1.00.

All of the sudden, all those 8 employees are now earning $1 more per hour - collectively, the cost of paying for that new employee you were planning to hire. It's like having two for the price of one! Except now you can't afford to hire that first one anymore.

There are only ever 3 possible outcomes of this degenerative scheme: prices go up, hiring diminishes, or businesses go out. The reason it's degenerative is because that last part is a lot harder to reverse. End of story.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 2:13:47 AM
A lot of good that $22 is gonna do you when you can't find a job because no one can afford to hire you.

onoffonoffon
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2176 Posts
Wednesday, March 20, 2013 1:52:18 AM
Of course the government takes no responsibility for inflation.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:31:35 PM
Look at any country where the government doesn't regulate how little employees can be compensated or look at our history before regulations were implemented, that is exactly what happens.



Okay in most developing countries sweatshops are actually a LOT better than the alternatives, as for our history we had rising wages long before FLSA was implemented.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5185 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:18:47 PM
OldOllie

"I guess stupid liberal f***tards"

Do you just have that saved on your clipboard so you can predictably paste it into every thread without having to ever concern yourself with adding anything of value to the conversation?

God I would love to go up against you in any barometer of intelligence you chose, an IQ test, the SAT, Jeopardy, Tic Tac Toe, etc and shut you the f.uck up permanently. Oh well. Continue to be a crotchety old f.uck until you have an aneurism and die.

HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
 5185 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:13:27 PM
Cajun247

"Hasty generalization"

How so? Look at any country where the government doesn't regulate how little employees can be compensated or look at our history before regulations were implemented, that is exactly what happens.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 12758 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:13:08 PM
Restaurant workers don't get minimum wage; they get a basic minimum wage plus commission on sales (called "service charge"/ "tips"). Minimum wage should include tips.

Cue Reservoir Dogs quotes.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15136 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:58:25 PM
I love how people from Massachusetts look down their noses at southerners and then turn around and vote for an idiot like this.

Oh, well, I guess stupid liberal f***tards deserve to be represented by one of their own.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Tuesday, March 19, 2013 10:51:35 PM
Let's just let corporations decide how much they want to pay people. Then everyone can make 35 cents an hour.


Hasty generalization. Both worker and company (and CEO) stand to lose if the worker chooses not to work. If the wage is too little to address the worker's needs chances are he's not going to work as the worker's time invested is an unjustified opportunity cost. I'll even go as far as to say that if China didn't ban unionization Chinese workers would be earning 3x more.

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