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Woman Dies After Nurse Refuses To Do CPR- 911 Call

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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:04:26 PM

Me? I'm gonna be the life of the party when I'm old. I'll be the old guy making dirty jokes, and pinching nurse's bums.

I was just pointing out there is two sides to every coin.... either that or I was trolling when I said "let her choke". You decide.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:52:48 PM
A full minute?

And in care facilities the power differential tends to be the other way. Not always, not saying old folk can't be annoying.

A full minute? I hope you are a very sweet old person when you are old.

viperjason
Male, 18-29, Western US
 67 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:39:35 PM
She wasnt a real "nurse" AND the lady that died WANTED TO NOT be resuscitated.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 12:05:11 PM

"How the hell can you refuse to help someone who's dieing "

Maybe this woman was a HUGE bitch to the nurse. Maybe she was an evil old woman who made the nurse's life a living hell every day.

In that scenario I might look at the bitch and think "let her choke".... at least for a minute.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:59:08 AM
-al cowardice.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:57:00 AM
I don't know how it works in the US but I checked the UK and there is not one case of a first aider who has been taken to court, let alone convicted or succesfully sued.

You aren't obliged to help a stranger in the street, but if you choose to you assume a responsibilty of care. Which means you are expected to act as a reasonable person would. You aren't required to act as a doctor, but you're not expected to jump up and down on them in hob-nailed boots. If somebody needs CPR (and the emergency services are telling you that they really, really do) then a cracked rib is irrelevant.

Mr Orange, do you have examples where this has happened?

But also, there are situations where you have an real duty of care and you can't walk on by. If one of my students has a medical episode I can't stroll off for tea and scones; I have to sort it. The police have a permanent duty of care.
I suspect that this 'CPR - cracked rib - sued and ruined' idea is a myth to excuse mor

EVILLECUTTER
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 210 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:42:23 AM
we can thatnk our current sue happy lawsuit slinging society for this mishap - not the business's fault and def not the nurses fault - she just did not want to lose her job and everything else she has worked for in court - and it was probably more of an insurance clause problem than an actual business policy - sad all around

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16941 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:39:25 AM
Heard about this several days ago and was outraged that this nurse did nothing. I thought all nursing homes had to have defib boxes, but apparently not.

Policy or not, human decency should've been the order of the day.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:35:08 AM
@skytz1337

Don't ask me? i'm the guy who said he thought the dutch legal system was prefferable to the american one becuase of stuff like this.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5703 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:28:05 AM
Our biggest point of discussion was this 'nurse' a RN, LPN or someone who wears scrubs and 'calls' herself a nurse.

Ha, yeah that was my first instinct too. My impression is that it would be the latter.

It sounds like they had a "Do Not Resuscitate" order from the woman?

But if they had a DNR on the resident, why bother calling 911?

skytz1337
Male, 18-29, Europe
 690 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:12:40 AM
@MrOrange what sane judge/jury would blame you for saving someone's life?
It's like saying "No, i'm not gonna stop the bank robbery because i might get sued for assault" (yes..i know..bad example..its one thing hurting someone...its another thing SAVING SOMEONE'S LIFE!)

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:06:18 AM
@skytz1337 losing your job is one thing, (though mind you. i don't think i'd like to be out of a job in america) being sued to the high heavens and beyond is another.

skytz1337
Male, 18-29, Europe
 690 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:01:22 AM
...and that's why some people need to be sterilized. How the hell can you refuse to help someone who's dieing just because you might lose your job?

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:57:20 AM
Oh, c'mon man. If that were the case, 'your number is up, god called' then we should get rid of all medical care.

'Thou shalt not kill;
but needst not strive
Officiously to keep alive:'

(Arthur Hugh Clough, a very under-rated poet.)

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:39:45 AM

A retirement home is "Waiting for God".
God called.
You wanna blame the "nurse" for not putting God on hold?

When your number's up, your number's up.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:28:35 AM
Gerry,
Nowadays, if you help someone, they sue you for cracking their rib or violating their rights and you get fired.'

Are you sure? I know it's not the case in the UK, although it is a common misconception.

And if there was an actual DNR notice I'm pretty sure the facility would be waving it around.
'

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4244 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:26:09 AM
dat iz f ucked up.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 4424 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:24:41 AM
psychoti,

Fair play to the old lady if she didn't want intervention, I'll probably feel the same at that age. And good for the family for not seeking to profit.

But that doesn't change the issue of letting a person die because of 'policy'. If the 'nurse' (and how do you get to call yourself a nurse if you have no medical training?) had declined to intervene out of respect for the old lady's stated wishes that would be a different matter.

Does this policy include refusing to perform the Heimlich maneuver on someone who is choking and exhibiting every sign of not wanting to choke? (Yes, I know that the Heimlich maneuver is not the magic answer it is sometimes thought to be.)

I can see this facility losing a lot of business.

'So, you finally got your mom into a retirement community?'

'Yeah, Glenwood Gardens.'

'Oh, right. So you actually want her to die?'

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:21:39 AM
I don't agree with such foolish polices by a MEDICAL FACILITY

HOWEVER, in this particular case, it sounded like this woman was a DNR.

The facility should use this incident as a lesson to change their policy before someone who does want to be resuscitated collapses.

drawman61
Male, 50-59, Europe
 5680 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:20:27 AM
I hope a member of this nurse's family is in need of the same help one day. "Intelligent" human beings, my ass.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:19:53 AM
And the dutch are evil becuase they believe in euthanasia. how about we also believe in the right not to be sued if you try and save someone's life, and that you have a reasonable duty to try and save another person. call me crazy but i think i prefer our legal system over yours...



MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4449 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:08:57 AM
@patchgrabber

I discussed this with my wife, and while we didn't get into all the legalities she stated that in the absence of a DNR order, the nurse would be required to render aid.

Our biggest point of discussion was this 'nurse' a RN, LPN or someone who wears scrubs and 'calls' herself a nurse.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:07:21 AM

It sounds like they had a "Do Not Resuscitate" order from the woman?

Nowadays, if you help someone, they sue you for cracking their rib or violating their rights and you get fired. If you don't the gov'ment wants to get you for manslaughter.

Seems like the best thing you can do is pretend you don't see and walk away. If you call for help you will get into trouble.

I know that sounds douchebaggery... and it is, but that's where our society has gotten. Do not get involved or you will be screwed.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2324 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:06:15 AM
And the dutch are evil becuase they believe in euthanasia. how about we also believe in the right not to be sued if you try and save someone's life, and that you have a reasonable duty to try and save another person. call me crazy but i think i prefer our legal system over yours...

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:04:34 AM
Submitted this like 3 days ago :-\

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