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Woman Dies After Nurse Refuses To Do CPR- 911 Call

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paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1577 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 9:38:13 PM
also CPR without an AED has a very low success rate. The number i remember from my training is 19%.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1577 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 9:34:24 PM
She was 87 years old, sometimes we need to say her time had come. CPR isn't exactly a massage, you're cracking ribs and possibly breaking them. On a frail old lady, it's possible you make her last moments extremely painful. And if it worked? How much longer would she have? It's not like she had her whole life ahead of her.

Now, if it was anyone young, I would be pissed. If we put age on sliding scale to determine wrongness of inaction, this woman is on the end of not terribly wrong in my book.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 8:20:23 AM
Understand this CPR is successful less then 30% of times even when administered by trained professionals.

The number I last saw was that it was successful less than 5% of the time for elderly people with multiple medical problems.

Pinkminx22
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 975 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 7:56:14 AM
I did it for 10 years and I still remember the first time someone coded on me....now I work in a dentist office and of course I don't see codes like that anymore...but when I worked the floor when someone passed or coded, it was go time..The dentist office is still fast paced and busy but a differant type of fast paced and busy..I love this type of work.

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1400 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 6:34:04 AM
@pinkminx22 - if you're still getting that rush you haven't done it long enough. It'll pass.

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1400 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 6:32:56 AM
@thecurt - a DNR is not a 'do not call' when someone is having trouble breathing, they are not in need of resuscitation. A DNR is useless unless the person is clinically dead. Does that mean you can watch someone die who has a DNR? no. if they're pulseless&apniec then by all means, honor the DNR. Advanced directives and such are what you're looking for. The fact that EMS did start CPR on arrival means that there was no DNR present, and that essentially this nurse(or NA) can be held liable.
@CreamK - you need to recheck your facts. It is not against the law to not do CPR, even with Good Samaritan laws. It is however against the law and negligent if you fail on your duty to act, which is the case here.

Pinkminx22
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 975 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 4:33:36 AM
I know what it is like when someone codes at a nursing home when they are not a DNR(been there and done that) because here comes like 15 people running with a crash cart and you better get the hell out of the way or your butt is getting ran the hell over. It's no joke when someone is knocking on deaths door. What a rush!! I guess that's why I'm in the medical field.

Pinkminx22
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 975 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 4:15:11 AM
If the nursing home resident was a DNR the nurse would've been in such deep doodoo if she resuscitated a DNR..When a person goes down like that, it is the job of the nursing home staff to know immediatly what residents are DNR and which ones that aren't. If a staff member screws up and performs CPR on a resident that is DNR, they are not allowed to stop once they start and they could be in a lot of trouble for giving CPR to a DNR. Now on the other hand, if the resident isn't a DNR it is the job of the nursing staff members to do everything they can to save that persons life until paramedics get there... Most nursing facilities have what you call crash carts and they are positioned at every nurses station throughout the building.

HalfPintRoo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 2475 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 3:48:48 AM
I am assuming the lady was a DNR by the family's response. I know there is nothing we are aware of to prove she had a DNR on file, but the family stated somewhere it was her wishes... And they aren't suing...

CreamK
Male, 40-49, Europe
 733 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 3:18:44 AM
That's a crime. No matter what the facility protocol is, not helping while fully capable of doing so, is a manslaughter.

thecurt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 413 Posts
Friday, March 08, 2013 2:26:04 AM
Why would they call 911 if the person had a DNR, though?

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2388 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:57:11 PM
Just read the comments
Some of you have no concept of what a 'DNR' is. These are wishes of the person, last wishes of the person that decision has been taken with
Careful thought, consultation with loved ones and a doctor. And is legally binding on the care facility.
If she had a 'DNR' then the discussion is over. That 911 lady had no business pressurizing the poor care giver into a guilt trip.
I would sue if my instructions of DNR were ignored and my miserable painful exisitance was prolonged and I had to pay for the procedures.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11721 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:50:29 PM
If that were my granny, by this time next year, I'd f***ing OWN that place.

sutra46
Female, 40-49, Asia
 2388 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:44:50 PM
The care facility has a clear & public policy. The family is fine with the care & service they received.
Lady was old & was probably aware of 'no code' policy.
You all should let it be.

Understand this CPR is successful less then 30% of times even when administered by trained professionals. For it to be effective often times you have put enough pressure to break a rib cage. And then you die anyways.

I want no code at the end of my life or even if I am in a serious accident. None what so ever. May be this old lady had that conversation with her care giver.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3056 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:35:48 PM

How can anyone simply stand there and let a little old lady die at your feet and be completely calm and fine with it? I'm not gonna comment on whether it was right or wrong legally. Just saying that I could not.

jendrian
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2479 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:42:24 PM
I bet the old lady had a DNR and the media just called it "following company policy" to make it sound bad (more sensational).

EgalM
Male, 30-39, Canada
 1710 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:31:31 PM
Some of those homes don't have actual Registered Nurses on staff, they tend to have one to deal with meds. If that one isn't on hand than no one is qualified and they most likely don't want lawsuits if something goes wrong. Sucks, but most of those places do.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 3699 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:17:44 PM
Ripper398,

Yeah, you're probably right.

Ripper398
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1318 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:07:38 PM
Well, had she saved her then she probably would have been sued for some minor issue, lost her job, and had a news story broadcasting what a terrible person she is.

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:47:26 PM
LordJim, I think just about any human bieng agrees with you on principal. And yeah thank someone, a lot of countries have good sameritan laws. My understanding of american law though.. leads me to believe that your best human intentions might lead you to be paying through your nose the rest of your life if the person you gave first aid too isn't happy with the results. That does dampen the spirit a bit.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 3699 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:36:39 PM
'You decide.'

The haughty nurse exacting vengeance for her previous slights? The humbled patrician reaching out beseechingly for the meds and finding only a cold sneer? I'm seeing Barbara Stanwyck in the role.

Basically, and I mean basically, you don't withhold help from a person in a life-threatening situation if you can safely and effectively help.


kingdomCome
Male, 18-29, Europe
 335 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:27:18 PM
Every recent report I see states that there was not a "do not resuscitate" on file, only the older ones, where the facts were still being ascertained seem to suggest there was.

the story smacks of "I'm just doing my job, nothing else"...delict/tort is the airsehole of the law

MrOrange
Male, 30-39, Europe
 2268 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:25:53 PM
Woman sued for first aid 2008

more from the case in the topic and the legal side

I'm sure there is plenty more to find, otherwise i'd ask some of our american friends as to how their perception is. I however need to nurse a rather anoying fever.

swiftkeys
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 481 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:24:54 PM
Eh, she was old anyways.

LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
 3699 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:13:39 PM
'AND the lady that died WANTED TO NOT be resuscitated.'

True, but there's no need to shout. The nurses refusal to help has never been justified as a DNR response, but as following a company policy.

She was not acting in the interests of the person in her care who was in danger of death but acting in the the perceived interests of her employer.

You do see the difference, don't you?

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