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5 Million Years Of Climate Change [Pic]

Hits: 10536 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: Science | Added by: 5Cats
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ledzeppeloyd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2304 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:52:42 PM
mabey it exitst, mabey it doesnt but put your face near the tail pipe of a running car and tell me thats not drating up the enviroment

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14521 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:25:22 PM


This is a better analogy to the so-called "scientific community" of global warming. You don't get in if you don't already believe, and you can't stay in if you change your mind. Heretics who deny the one true faith are defrocked, denounced, and excommunicated.

Global warming hucksters hire and promote each other, referee and publish each other's "research" papers, and review and approve each other's grant proposals. If you're not a true believer, you can't get hired, promoted, published, or funded. And you certainly won't be polled when they establish their fraudulent "scientific consensus."

As the most glaring example of this, that stupid Nazi kuhnt Heidi Cullen of the Weather Channel called for revoking the credentials of any meteorologist who did not kneel at the alter of global warming.

It's just one big left-handed circle jerk.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14521 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:20:46 PM
Sort of like how your image was a specious argument considering the fact that you can't compare scientific fact with the existence of God.

Neither can you compare the global warming hoax to scientific fact.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3713 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:24:39 PM

Then you are wrong, while also using a fallacy! Wow, terrible argument on two counts.


randomxmp - Hey dippoo, I wasn't making an argument for either side. I never stated an opinion, I was asking a question to crakrjak.

The point is we don't need to know the motive. The money is there, you cannot deny it, it is a matter of public record.


I wasn't denying anything. I also disagree with your statement that we don't need to know the motive.

No amount of Google searches will make someone an expert, so it makes sense to listen to the scientists who devote there life to research. UNLESS there is a motive on either side to deceive.

I am not making an argument for or against.

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:44:37 PM
Obama is the Antichrist. Seriously, around 35% of those polled said they believed this. Too, he is a secret Muslim with designs on turning the country over to the UN or Germany. Huge poll numbers support this. And, you know, the whole Kenya thing.

Conspiracy theorists will out. Of course, none will admit they believed human-influenced climate change was a lie in thirty years. They'll all be on about how they were fighters on the front line trying to vote to reduce carbon emissions. But, hey, whatever. The Earth and its climate don't care if you believe in man-influenced global warming or not. It's happening regardless. Deny it all you want. And tell your grandkids you did, too, if you have the drating ball sack.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:24:47 PM
FoolsPrussia

Come back when you have actually read the actual CRU emails (climategate 2 emails are actually worse than the original 2009 release, although the Harry_readme.txt file was pretty horrific). Tell me, for a famous example, how "hide the decline" is not scientific misconduct, and how the conspiracy did not corrupt peer-reviewed publication. Not from the propaganda put out in the media by the guilty parties, but from your own reading and your scientific knowledge.

I can guarantee that if you understand the science well enough to have anything relevant to add to a discussion then you will be horrified, and agree with the alarmists (not sceptics) who called for Phil Jones's removal from the IPCC process and even his resignation.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:18:33 PM
Canoas

"a conspiracy is not possible unless every single country and every single scientist in the world is part of it."

Hahahahaha

You really are an idiot. There are thousands of scientists who doubt the reality of CAGW. Far more have signed their names to such doubts than have ever signed their names to supporting the myth. Many of them are eminent in relevant fields, including climatology. On the other hand many prominent believers are not scientists, indeed many of the IPCC authors are not scientists at all in any real sense (less qualified than I, with my Earth Sciences degree), most are not published scientists.

Several countries' scientific establishments also doubt it, most have no scientific capacity to judge.

So no, you would not need all scientists or all countries.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:11:15 PM
spanerbulb

So you must be pig-ignorant. You are unable to come up with a single argument against anything Crakr said.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:10:30 PM
FoolsPrussia

Not debunked - the people who wrote the emails admit they wrote them.

As for the assessment of the content, are you a small child, to believe what grown-ups tell you? Why would you believe nonsense like the "Union of Concerned Scientists" (an organisation that will accept a cat as a member if they receive a valid payment; that is quite literal) in it's assurances?

Why not read the emails? Then you will see the open discussion of conspiracy.

The fact that the conspiracy continued is hardly surprising. Multiple "independent" investigations supposedly cleared the guilty. None took any evidence apart from the word of those deeply involved, the leader of only one tasked with looking at the science admitted they did not even consider the science. Leaders were compromised either by friendship with those who wrote the worst emails or even by large financial interests in keeping the CAGW myth alive. At least two were run by th

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:01:17 PM
Patchgrabber, turburglar etc. - all you alarmists,

If you don't know why the following, if true, is strong evidence that alarmists' models are wrong and we are right to be sceptical, then you do not know enough about the debate to understand it.

http://bit.ly/XThEVC

Note that the data come from NASA, so I am assuming they are reliable unless you can show otherwise. So panic is over. We now have a good explanation for all the strong evidence that the models were wrong in a factor which is absolutely key to the debate, and greatly exaggerate temperature response to CO2.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:01:08 PM
"The conspiracy is no longer a theory when the conspirators admit that the emails discussing the conspiracy were written by them. At that point it becomes fact."

Are you referring to the bullpoo scandal, "climategate"?

That has been debunked many times over.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1247 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 4:00:44 PM
Oh Cracker, you are such an ignorant fool.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:45:20 PM
@CrakrJak
You may not understand this, but unlike you most scientists have standards. Also, such a conspiracy is not possible unless every single country and every single scientist in the world is part of it.

But hey, keep believing all those conspiracies. The moon landing must also be fake, right?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:36:48 PM
Turdburglar

"What is the incentive for the other side to have us believe something that isn't true?"

There is estimated to be about 6000 times the money put into research into CAGW and response to it as is spent on scepticism. That is a pretty conservative estimate, given that the US Federal Government alone has spent over US$100 bn; it would take a million "big oil", Exxon-type US$100k grants to match just that let alone the rest of the world.

The point is we don't need to know the motive. The money is there, you cannot deny it, it is a matter of public record.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:28:57 PM
Turdburglar

"I can see why big oil, coal, gas, etc would like us to believe there is no man made warming on a global scale. "

Then you are wrong, while also using a fallacy! Wow, terrible argument on two counts.

Quite the opposite in reality: most of them want us to believe in catastrophic man-made warming. The reasons vary: the western companies are taking huge government subsidies for reducing their own fuel use and for researching "alternative" (i.e. inefficient) energy. Middle-eastern and Russian companies want you to believe so that the west will stop hydraulic fracturing and exploiting their own oil reserves, and keep the price of fuel high. That is why oil companies have spent far more money to spread the scare than to any sceptical organisations.

Almost no-one argues against man-made global warming. The debate is about feedback, and only about feedback, so bringing up belief in man-made warming is a straw-man fallacy.

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1262 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 3:21:57 PM
Prussia

"There are thousands of climate scientists around the world who work for next to nothing in laboratories"

Yet the core of the climate panic is just around 50 people. Without these, the whole debate would be far more open. These are the few who have corrupted science for their own gain. One example, possibly the most influential, is an astronomer who illegally earned US$1.6 million from speaking engagements in just one year.

The conspiracy is no longer a theory when the conspirators admit that the emails discussing the conspiracy were written by them. At that point it becomes fact.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:55:24 PM
" It has no bearing on the substance of the argument."

Sort of like how your image was a specious argument considering the fact that you can't compare scientific fact with the existence of God.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14521 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:47:31 PM
@OldOllie: What is an "opininion"?

It's called a typo. Get over it. It has no bearing on the substance of the argument.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:44:56 PM
"Not only that but they get to hob nob with celebrities at green/eco conferences and get paid millions of dollars to write books."

Do you know how much a book advance is? Very rarely is it over $50,000. Unless you're Dan Brown or J.K. Rowling, you ain't getting millions of dollars to write books. And what percentage of these scientists hob nob with celebrities? There are thousands of climate scientists around the world who work for next to nothing in laboratories.

Again, you're attempting to use a conspiracy theory to refute an actual scientific consensus.

The Don Henley lyrics are a nice touch.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17245 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:36:02 PM
turdburglar: The incentive they get is government funding. Not only that but they get to hob nob with celebrities at green/eco conferences and get paid millions of dollars to write books. Then they get sponsors like Al Gore that jump on board and the whole issue becomes a self-perpetuating fraud.

"Today I made an appearance downtown
I am an expert witness, because I say I am
And I said, 'Gentleman, and I use that word loosely
I will testify for you
I'm a gun for hire, I'm a saint, I'm a liar
Because there are no facts, there is no truth
Just a data to be manipulated
I can get any result you like
What's it worth to ya?
Because there is no wrong, there is no right
And I sleep very well at night
No shame, no solution
No remorse, no retribution
Just people selling T-shirts
Just opportunity to participate in the pathetic little circus
And winning, winning, winning"

Don Henley - Garden of Allah.

synaw
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 58 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:26:04 PM
so you admit there is no god then?

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3399 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:24:38 PM
@OldOllie: What is an "opininion"?

SmagBoy1
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4243 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:18:02 PM
Science is a test from the deebil! And especially that evolution, global warming and big bang stuff! Deebil, deebil, deebil!

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14521 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:10:17 PM

There, According to PG's criterion, I just proved God exists.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3713 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:03:17 PM

Crakrjak -

So it's a conspiracy? I'm not saying it is or isn't, so enlighten me please.

I can see why big oil, coal, gas, etc would like us to believe there is no man made warming on a global scale. What is the incentive for the other side to have us believe something that isn't true?

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