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Atty Gen. Won't Rule Out U.S. Drone Strikes [Pic+]

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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12882 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:16:57 PM
John McCain is a dickhole.

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 830 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:16:39 PM
That would be the same Senator McCain who was dining with Obama while Rand Paul was doing his job?

Incidentally, Paul fulfilled your wish, instead of getting congress to approve drone strikes, he got the executive branch to say they wouldn't engage in them.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:15:33 PM
"He did better than that, he got them to say No."

Hurray! He wasted a day and a half of time on something that Sen. John McCain called ridiculous. McCain is a Senator who will take every opportunity to slam President Obama so you know this is exceedingly ridiculous. That makes every supporter of this waste of time equally ridiculous.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 5:57:36 PM
"All I can say is that I don't think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people," Sen. John McCain (R), said on the Senate floor.

"Somehow to allege that the United States of America - our government - will drop a drone hellfire missile on Jane Fonda, that that brings the conversation from a serious discussion about U.S. policy to the realm of the ridiculous," Sen. John McCain (R)

"To my Republican colleagues, I don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that President Bush was going to kill anybody with a drone," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R). "They had a drone program back then. So what is it all of a sudden that this drone program has gotten every Republican so spun up? What are we up to here?"

DromEd
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 1500 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:36:50 PM
New Bill Introduced

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 830 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 1:46:44 PM
He did better than that, he got them to say
"No"

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:13:45 AM
Hey Rand Paul instead of wasting the Senates time with a 13 hour filibuster why don't you introduce a bill that would require any drone air strikes on American soil to be approved by congress. You found a problem that, as ridiculous an idea it is, should be fixed. So fix it. That is your job. Or is this just for posturing?

An-egg
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 830 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:14:31 AM
I see, just like they only use The Patriot Act in those kind of cases.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:24:59 AM
"I watched the Holder video. Contrary to what you are saying, he would not state that it was out of the realm of possibility for the government to ASSASSINATE a US citizen without trial."

Holder gave a very level headed response in his letter, "The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001."

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 8:17:47 AM
"I watched the Holder video. Contrary to what you are saying, he would not state that it was out of the realm of possibility for the government to ASSASSINATE a US citizen without trial. No matter what kind of spin you put on it, this is wrong."

Everything they are talking about here is from Holder's letter in response back to Rand. I gave a link to the letter and I showed the progression of how they made Holder's quote of Rand's to seam like Holder said it. How is that spin on my part? And where's your link? For all I know you could have watched some kind of out of context Brietbart video.

insane_ai
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 686 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 7:52:53 AM
Any other guesses why they want to take our guns?

furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:43:08 AM
The executive branch killing Americans on American soil without a trial or due process is just disgusting.

sonofd
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 48 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:51:16 PM
markust123

I watched the Holder video. Contrary to what you are saying, he would not state that it was out of the realm of possibility for the government to ASSASSINATE a US citizen without trial. No matter what kind of spin you put on it, this is wrong.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:19:11 PM
"I've seen time and again something being introduced as one thing, and play out entirely differently. Precedent setting measures are introduced innocuously and are then very powerful where they cannot be undone."

Completely agree but we're talking about something here that would bring such a sh*tstorm down on any President who attempted it that it is not based in reality. The public backlash would be swift and more severe than the strike itself. This is something that would bring on the demand from the whole nation for the immediate resignation of the President. It would never happen under any US President. The idea is ridiculous.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12882 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:19:02 PM
Can you even IMAGINE if Alberto Gonzales had said this?

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1658 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:45:35 PM
Markust I hope you're right but write down your thoughts here and read them again in a few decades. I've seen time and again something being introduced as one thing, and play out entirely differently. Precedent setting measures are introduced innocuously and are then very powerful where they cannot be undone.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:52:26 PM
Eric Holder's opening of his response to Rand Paul, "On February 20, 2013, you wrote to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the Administration's views about "whether the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial.""

Then the CNN blog twists Holder repeating Rand Paul's question to make it sound like Holder said it, "Attorney General Eric Holder Tuesday stopped short of entirely ruling out a drone strike against an American citizen on U.S. soil without trial."

And then whoever came up with the tag line here twists it even further, "Atty Gen. Won't Rule Out U.S. Drone Strikes. Says 'it's possible' that U.S. citizens will be killed on U.S. soil by drones without a trial. Concerned yet?"

Concerned yes. Concerned that people believe all this crap.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:32:30 PM
Here's Mr. Holder's example of this hypothetical situation happening - if we are attacked on our own soil, "The question you have posed is therefore entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur, and one we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances like a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on December 7, 1941, and September 11, 2001."

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:29:09 PM
Not once in Eric Holder's letter does he state that it's possible that U.S. citizens will be killed on U.S. soil by drones without a trial. Another example of the media leading the blind into an opinion with the power of suggestion.

paperduck
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1658 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:27:49 PM
Tyranny is the default unless it is stopped. But tyrants realized if you do it quickly, folks stand up. Nowadays this stuff rolls in slowly, over generations, so by the time you realize poos really different, you're too old or soon dead. The new generation is raised to the new reality. This will first happen in some kind of "justified" scenario, like a Christopher Dorner. But eventually any opposition to the tyranny will be eliminated.

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11473 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:12:37 PM
Collateral damage is going to be fun. Imagine calling in a hoax and Homeland drones-strikes the whole neighborhood like they do in Pakistan.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:46:22 PM
People should be a little more concerned about the precedent this sets. If you can do it within America, to an American, when he's not an imminent threat, this is an erosion of the constitution. The idea that they could, for example, identify a drug lord and blow him up as he pulls out of his driveway is not good development.

carmium
Female, 50-59, Canada
 6290 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:22:23 PM
Thissuz dumb. The CIA cannot legally conduct operations within the US. If loony American (or Canadian or English) Muslims decide to go to the middle east and make bombs or whatever, I don't care if they get "droned."
The far bigger issue is all the innocent civilians being blown up by some guy sitting on a comfy chair and sipping a Coke in an air-conditioned trailer.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:04:25 PM

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:02:44 PM
@markust123

Now who gave him executive privilege again??

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