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Gun Homicide Rate By Country [Pic]

Hits: 13391 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:30:54 PM

Know guns, know peace, know safety.
No guns, no peace, no safety.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:52:12 PM
@Gerry1: As I mentioned (and it's sort-of linked to) the ratio of "gun crime" vs "self defence" is:
600,000 USA crimes involving guns
2,000,000+ "self defence" involving guns.

75% of "self defence" incidents do NOT involve a single shot being fired.

iirc: the actual number of "justified self defence killings" is about 260 per year.

FBI Home THIS is a treasure-trove of real information. It takes a bit of digging though... and half a brain which I know you've got @Gerry1!
Go "get 'um" tiger!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:46:12 PM
Ice Cream Truck drivers aren't always on the up and up

@darkmagic14n: lolz! I do remember that news! It caused a couple of "shoot-outs" didn't it?

However, nothing like the "gang bangin" in Chicago, DC and LA... Toronto...

The problem is handguns.

@Andrew155: And also the #1 all-time BEST method of self defence is... handguns too.
I hear what you're saying: The "gun grabbers" are going after the "scaryguns" which are rarely used for crime. WHY don't they address the REAL issues?
Answer: Because they cannot. They have NO stats, NO solution and NO morality to back them.

So they play the "fear card" because the "race card" only supports the 2nd Amendment side.

Heaven forbid that liberals would EVER admit that "blacks" have a problem...

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3639 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:35:49 PM

Nearly 4 in 100,000 is not good, but not nearly enough for me to consider giving up my rights. Especially when a very very high percentage of those homicides are gang, drug, or some other illegal activity related activity.

In my 30-39 years on this planet I've only seen one person shot. It was drug related. Dude pulled a gun out and was threatening a crack head, who pulled out his gun and opened fire. Shot dude in the arm. Instant justice.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:34:02 PM

You do not shoot a gun to kill.
You shoot it to stay alive.

There's an assumption that all gun deaths are tragedies. How many are well deserved deaths? By that I mean how many rapists or muggers or home invasionists? were killed by their wouldl-be victims because those people were allowed to own a defensive weapon?

Just asking a question.


Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:33:23 PM
An ordinary "hunting rifle" is more lethal than an AR-15. Bigger bullets, more powerful shot. If you're going to ban AR-15's, you have to ban these "hunting rifles". But really, "Assault style" weapons are a red herring. The problem is handguns. Every statistic supports this. They're just not as scary. They are easier to hide, easier to kill with, easier to reload, easier to obtain and operate.

Andrew155
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2564 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:32:45 PM
In case you all were wonder, here is the latest development in 3 D printing. They printed the receiver for an AR-15 that could withstand 1,000 rounds. The receiver is the only part this is regulated, so now you can basically build one on the down low.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tAW72Y_XPF4


But "Assault style" weapons aren't the problem anyways. They represent something like 2% of gun crimes. And AR-15 ammo, .223, is actually weaker than 9mm, unless you're sharpshooting. An AR-15 is essentially a low calibre, high capacity hunting rifle. It is not automatic. So the capacity is the issue. Magazines can already be 3 D printed, rendering any regulation of magazines moot.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:32:01 PM

You do not shoot a gun to kill.
You shoot it to stay alive.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:17:52 PM
@5cats "Who do YOU THINK is killing all those people in Chicago? Ice Cream Truck salesmen?"

you jest, but:



Ice Cream Truck drivers aren't always on the up and up

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 307 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:17:46 PM
Took me a while, but I found the source. It's a spreadsheet, so you'll have to download it to check it out.

Link

The link adds valuable context. Not just the 'per 100,000', but also the actual number of deaths and the percentage of total deaths from murder by gun.

Statistics should never be used for bias. They are for understanding, not arguing.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:13:52 PM
@Canoas:

Europe in charge of knowing about guns
lel

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:08:54 PM
"these gangs aren't all running around with CCL, the guns they have are illegal. guess what happens when you ban guns?"

Would you guys please stop claiming that we're trying to ban guns? That's not happening. The assault rifle ban would only ban one type of gun, and it's almost certain to die in congress.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:55:55 PM

"If 1 out of every 5 gun use is a violent crime then that's not good at all."

Conversely, 4 our of 5 is NOT used in a crime.
How GREAT is that!!!!!

DuckBoy87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2660 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:27:04 PM
Without reading, I'm going to predict that there will be several people who say "there are third world countries on this list, and therefore invalid".

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:23:49 PM
"unloading"
Gun homicide thread...

I swear to Heaven that was an accidental pun!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:08:31 PM
Gee I'm grumpy tonight!

Sorry if it seems like I'm "unloading" on you @Canoas! This is really directed at the "AIB Gun-Grabbing Brigade" eh? They know who they are...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:06:43 PM
@Wattstone
But you forget that in Brasil it's easier to get an illegal firearm than a legal one.


Not trying to speak for @Wattstone, but I think it IS HIS POINT! He didn't "forget" anything!
His point is: criminals can STILL get guns! Despite all those laws. It's honest citizens who are unarmed. Same for Canada (where I live!) it's the same thing.

Criminals HAVE GUNS and can always get more! But honest, lawful citizens have a hard time getting one. Unless you're RICH! Then it's super easy!

SO: In Canada (and Brasil) the criminals, the cops and the RICH PEOPLE all have guns... NOT nice!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 5:01:40 PM
If 1 out of every 5 gun use is a violent crime then that's not good at all.

Noooo, there's 200 million+ guns in the USA, and about 600,000 gun crimes.
Also: Just over 2,000,000 times a gun was used in self defence.

So it's a TINY % of guns used in crime. (In the USA) Guns are 3X (or more) more likely to be used legally in self defence than to be used in a crime.

Also, are you claiming that gangs are responsible for 3/4 of USA's gun homicide?

Um, YUP! Who do YOU THINK is killing all those people in Chicago? Ice Cream Truck salesmen? It's GANGS! With ILLEGAL GUNS!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:53:12 PM
then 97.1% of all guns were originally legal


@Canoas: Wait, what?
32% THEFT = "legal"?
7.6% Fence OR Black Market = both illegal

The POINT of that chart is that ONLY 16% of criminal's guns come from a source that WOULD BE affected by current "gun laws". OK? Unless sweeping new laws are enacted? And many Americans lose their rights? The rest of those sources would not be changed by "more laws".

Ok? It seems so straightforward to me. How can you miss that?

randomxnp
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1238 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:52:41 PM
Canoas

If you rape someone that is violence too. The rate of rape here is about 3 times the US rate.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:48:31 PM
@Wattstone
But you forget that in Brasil it's easier to get an illegal firearm than a legal one.

Corydoras87
Male, 18-29, Europe
 638 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:44:55 PM
We all know that the USA have more police than colombia.. and in colombia the gangsters "replace" the police. When people have a problem they go to their gangster friends, not to the police.. so what would be a simple arrest in the USA turns into a homicide in colombia

Just wondering

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:43:32 PM
@5cats
Car accidents, falls and poisonings are mostly accidental, gun related deaths are not.

If 1 out of every 5 gun use is a violent crime then that's not good at all.

Also, are you claiming that gangs are responsible for 3/4 of USA's gun homicide? I highly doubt that, please provide the source of that information.

According to your "ways criminals obtain guns" then 97.1% of all guns were originally legal, which means that the gun control is terrible.

Wattstone
Male, 18-29, S. America
 169 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:42:28 PM
In Brazil, legally owning a a firearm is difficult and costly. Having the right to carry it out on the street is almost impossible for a common, law-abiding citizen. And yet we're on top of the chart, way ahead of countries like the US where gun ownership is common and more accessible. Makes you wonder: whoever said "guns don't kill people, people kill people" was damn right.

Friggin hate it here.


5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 25266 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:25:39 PM
@5Cats
Pie charts with no sources are irrelevant. I can make the exact same pie charts saying the opposite.


WEE WEE WEE! Little piggie! @Canoas, I'm getting to it!
I say "little piggie" because of your avatar, not trying to offend you. Ok?


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