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Gun Homicide Rate By Country [Pic]

Hits: 13360 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3299 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:14:11 AM

"Correct. You can never 100% get rid of a crime...but why do you think then that it's pointless to minimise it as much as possible?"

musko42 - We have more guns than we have people. You will never be able to remove them. You say "why not try". The answer is not just that it wouldn't work (which it won't), but to EVEN TRY would mean taking away basic rights guaranteed by our constitution.

"In a word, yes. Just as it's easier for a criminal to get hold of a pair of socks or a pack of cigarettes than a machine gun."
Take the word "machine" out of that sentence then it's not really true. Maybe in europe it is, but then you guys will give up just about all your rights for the promise of a government ran "paradise".

edana42
Female, 50-59, Eastern US
 2505 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:13:15 AM
Still cannot understand why every amendment is "a living and breathing document" that needs to be interpreted by the Supreme Court, but the 2nd amendment is cut and dry....
Just saying

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:11:01 AM
@HumanAction

"For example, in your "scenario", if I were being harassed by a group of six gangsters, what is my recourse?"

My answer to that is the same as I give to the "what if" scenario of being attacked by a tiger. My chances of being attacked by a tiger in England are about on par with my chances of being attacked by gangsters.

What pro-gun advocates seem to be forgetting is that the very need to have to carry a gun for self-defence for your daily lives is a shameful admission that your society is broken and beset by threats that should not be occurring on a regular basis in a civilisation nation.

You're a rich country. Why can't you solve your crime problem so your people don't NEED to be armed for self-defence?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:07:12 AM
But what is that opinion based on? That graph seems to show that the "disarmed" nations tend to cluster down at the bottom.


Mexico.....

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:01:26 AM
@HumanAction

"I don't think he was arguing this at all. Rather, I believe that he suggested that, specifically in the case of gun control, the proposed legislation would at best be a non-factor and at worst - counterproductive."

But what is that opinion based on? That graph seems to show that the "disarmed" nations tend to cluster down at the bottom. The tactic may not work for America, being a different nation with a different society, but you can't claim it doesn't work for other nations. So there is potential that it could work for America.

It couldn't do much worse than America's current approach!

pancake414
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 19 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:59:20 AM
I wish republicans could stick with the same logic on welfare. They want to get rid of it because some people abuse it, but the same reasoning doesn't work for them on gun control.

furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 577 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:07:12 AM
America is shocking high on that list.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:58:59 AM
@Musuko

You are arguing for having no laws or policing at all, because we can never make things perfect.

I don't think he was arguing this at all. Rather, I believe that he suggested that, specifically in the case of gun control, the proposed legislation would at best be a non-factor and at worst - counterproductive.

Perhaps a different perspective would be to consider that we all agree that we cannot eliminate the presence of firearms entirely. Now, consider whether or not you believe it is "fair" to enable an individual to protect himself (or herself) from aggression with equal force.

For example, in your "scenario", if I were being harassed by a group of six gangsters, what is my recourse? In your "scenario" I can either run and hope to escape, or suffer a beating/torture/possible death. Is that fair when I could have presented a firearm to potentially save my life?

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:30:21 AM
You are arguing for having no laws or policing at all, because we can never make things perfect. Why are you arguing that? You can't possibly believe that's correct.


Laws that punish those who try to abide to them help nothing.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:27:34 AM
@papajon0s1

"Even in the most peaceful society in the world, people still commit crime using guns. Unless you can find a way to remove all guns and all weapons of any kind from the entire world and never have them again, gun control simply will not work."

Correct. You can never 100% get rid of a crime...but why do you think then that it's pointless to minimise it as much as possible?

You are arguing for having no laws or policing at all, because we can never make things perfect. Why are you arguing that? You can't possibly believe that's correct.

papajon0s1
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 539 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36:49 AM
@Musuko42 Even in the most peaceful society in the world, people still commit crime using guns. Unless you can find a way to remove all guns and all weapons of any kind from the entire world and never have them again, gun control simply will not work. It's a liberal pipe dream as is many a liberal policy that, while almost always well intentioned, almost always makes this worse.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:27:28 AM
SO: In Canada (and Brasil) the criminals, the cops and the RICH PEOPLE all have guns... NOT nice!

This is ridiculous. I know of a few friends and family that have guns for hunting, and they are not "rich" or cops or criminals. I wonder @5cats, how much gun crime was there in your city last year?

Geogypsy
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2384 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:08:15 AM
Well thank goodness Columbia's doing something about overpopulation.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13145 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 5:41:38 AM
Ya that gun bans working so well for Mexico! European thinking they know what's best for the rest of the world yep never seen that in history before....

andybme
Male, 50-59, Western US
 296 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:37:13 AM
What, no Russia?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:31:12 AM
@5Cats

"And also the #1 all-time BEST method of self defence is... handguns too."

I would have thought the number one best method of self defence is having a relaxed, crime-free society which isn't full of people who might attack you.

Look at Scandinavia to see that it is possible.

So pro-gun people, why don't you work to acheive that? If nobody is killing people with guns, then you won't have to defend your guns against people who say they are dangerous.

Stop defending the usefulness of the bucket for catching leaks and get up and fix the damn roof instead!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:22:18 AM
@MeGrendel

"And you seriously think that outlawing gun will make them harder for criminals to get?"

In a word, yes. Just as it's easier for a criminal to get hold of a pair of socks or a pack of cigarettes than a machine gun.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:20:59 AM
@randomxnp

"Here in the UK we have a far higher rate of violent crime."

Violent crime is very hard to measure between countries, because different countries class different things as a violent crime.

Eg: if I cut off a lock of your hair without your permission, that could be classed as a violent crime because it is an assault on the person. Some countries may class it as such, others may not.

Murder, however, is far easier to measure. There is much less ambiguity, and it makes for a much better comparison between countries.

And personally, I'd rather have a lower murder rate and a higher rate of violent crime than the other way around. I can recover from a punch to the face. Being dead is pretty terminal.

malikymoo
Female, 18-29, Europe
 2039 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 2:25:38 AM
so poor countries. America is still the highest for the western world

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 292 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:19:22 AM
- "Hahaha, as soon as you move into Europe things calm down. (albania excluded...)"

United Kingdom (England and Wales) : 2009 (Most recent recorded year) 722 murders, 41 by gun. That's about 6%.

Australia : Also 2009, 263 murders, 30 by gun. A little more than 1 in 10.

Not making any point, but I have the files open and you guys commented, so there you go. :)

Profworm
Male, 30-39, Western US
 292 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:56:34 AM
I missed this before, at the bottom of the UNODC spreadsheet from which the OP graph is distilled.

"* For the United States of America number of homicides by firearm is adjusted for limited coverage of homicide by firearm data by multiplying the total number of intentional homicides by the ratio of homicides by firearm."

The ratio is listed as 67.5%, but how do they know the ratio of deaths by guns if they don't know how many people we're killed by guns? I mean, that's typically how you get the ratio. So... Some number less than the total number of murders, but greater than zero.

Asterisks aren't supposed to make things more confusing.

emmettyville
Female, 40-49, Australia
 4229 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 12:53:36 AM
oh, we no rate. could have something to do with complete lack of guns. Dont worry, I'm sure we bash heaps of eachother to death though :)

SnoopyBG
Male, 18-29, Europe
 645 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:52:11 PM
Hahaha, as soon as you move into Europe things calm down. (albania excluded...)

Draculya
Male, 40-49, Asia
 11460 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:45:21 PM
Hmm, not bad by third world catholic countries.

Hey, what happened to the UK? That's right, they all but banned guns. You should give it a go.

Nageki
Male, 30-39, Western US
 110 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:43:05 PM
I find it interesting that the US is only behind like all the countries that have all the drug gangs in them... But that's my perspective on this and will probably be ignored by most of the IAB regulars...

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