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Gun Homicide Rate By Country [Pic]

Hits: 13398 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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lifester
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:27:33 AM
True, stats can be used to paint any picture you want, but when it's so clear that the US positions itself closer to poor countries than developed countries that is saying something.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:19:51 AM
@lifester

Really puts it into perspective no?

Not really; if anything, it takes it really out of perspective. The US, has on average, far more than 9x the amount of guns than the other nations you reference (per capita). Therefore, it stands to reason that the incidence of misuse per capita is also much greater.

Consider if Canada outlaws crowbars but the US doesn't. As such, Canada has far fewer crowbars per capita than the US. Do you suppose that the Canada's crowbar-homicide rates would therefore be lower that in the US? Duh.

Let's think about it a different way. The US has a homicide rate of 4.8/100k and a gun-prevalence rate of 88.9/100. The UK has a homicide rate of 1.2/100k and a gun-prevalence rate of 6/100.

This means that there are 0.000054 homicides/firearm in the US and 0.0002 homicides/firearm in the UK. A gun is 2.7x more likely to kill you in the UK.

lifester
Male, 18-29, Canada
 2 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:02:11 AM
Assuming this is correct, I think it is fascinating that basically the only countries above 1 wouldn't be considered first world countries, with the exception of the US of course. In fact of the first world countries on the list excluding the US, the US is on average 9 times higher. Again, the only ones above 1 are, for the most part, corrupt drug and gang riddled countries. Really puts it into perspective no?

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:56:17 AM
@turdburgler

[ quote ]Stuff in quotes...[ /quote ]

Leave out the spaces within the brackets and you're in business. Fair warning, the filter breaks if you use quotes and links, and the closing bracket creates a newline for you (so no need to have the space after it).

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3684 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:50:02 AM

How do you guys get your quotes in italic font?

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3684 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:48:40 AM

"I don't need a gun - i still have a dick!"

But the balls require a permit from the govt.
Besides, what good is yer dick when the govt. has taken your arms.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:34:41 AM

"I don't need a gun - i still have a dick!"

Another thing you don't want to be waving around in public.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:32:02 AM
Now the UK has Knife surrender bins wonder why that might be??? Remember folks "utopia" is just a few more bans away!

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:29:23 AM
I don't need a gun - i still have a dick!


Never get get to shoot that either huh? It's too lower of a caliber to scare anything off anyway....

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:28:47 AM
I don't need a gun - i still have a dick!

... yea, mint condition - never been touched.

Disclaimer: Stupid comments beget stupid comments.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:27:29 AM

Rizzo71
Male, 40-49, Europe
 369 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:23:15 AM
I don't need a gun - i still have a dick!

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:20:12 AM

Canoas,
"It's not the gun control that preceded the gun problems, it's the other way around."

Correct. My point was gun control laws do not stop gun violence. Those laws are enacting in low economic areas and haven't stopped any gun violence. Economic factors are far more important.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:18:43 AM
It's not the gun control that preceded the gun problems, it's the other way around. Since there are problems stricter gun control was implemented.


And it did nothing mabey that would tell you to look beyond objects. Asking alot from someone from the UK where sharp objects are illegal too.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:16:30 AM


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13456 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:09:54 AM
Just to focus on an exception to the rule?


Ya and you don't do that sure buddy....

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:47:09 AM
"Our states with the most lax gun laws have the lowest gun problems. Chicago, New York, California, those places with tight gun control have higher gun problems."
It's not the gun control that preceded the gun problems, it's the other way around. Since there are problems stricter gun control was implemented.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3684 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:39:30 AM
"My god...how is it that *I*, a Brit, am explaining that to you?

Anyway, the constitution is like a dictionary: it merely records, not dictates. And if the rights determined by your society and your democracy changes, your constitution changes with it, as it has numerous times. AMMENDMENTS."

You obviously don't understand it right. In a democratic society the laws can and should change as society demands. Constitution included, except the first 10...the bill of rights. The foundation of this country. These are the "god given"/unalienable rights that the country was built around. If you can't live with those rights, you need to find a new country to live in. It wouldn't be America with out those rights.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3684 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:32:20 AM

Musko42 - All your comments sound so arrogantly european. As if europe is paradise..
As if we want to be more like europe.

Personally, I am just fine with how things are. I have a CPL but I don't feel the need to carry a gun with me. America is not as violent as you imagine. Most all of these homicides are in a few areas, and are gang or drug related.

Call me an evil bastard, but I don't care if they kill each other. If your country was as large as the US you would also have some small areas with gang and drug related violence making the whole country's homicide rates seem much higher.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:29:23 AM
@Musuko

So along that same line of thought, one could easily suggest that the "gun ban" in Australia was counterproductive.

Additionally, if we are to use such examples, then we should also consider actions that correlate with homicide rate declines in the US. For instance, if we look at the seven years after the Assault Weapons Ban was LIFTED, homicide rates fell on average 40x more than in Australia during the seven years after the "gun ban". Does this not then imply that the lifting of the Assault Weapons Ban was potentially 40x more effective in reducing homicide rates than banning guns?

This is the problem creating comparisons amongst different countries.

My answer to that is the same as I give to the "what if" scenario of being attacked by a tiger.

I think you are far more likely to be "jumped" than attacked by a tiger. I don't have the stats, but I'm pretty sure.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:26:50 AM

To me the graph shows low economic levels = violence. It is not just because they have guns that there is gun violence. Our states with the most lax gun laws have the lowest gun problems. Chicago, New York, California, those places with tight gun control have higher gun problems. But those 3 places also have low economics. That's where the American Ghettos are.

On the graph the poor countries have higher violence than the wealthier countries. So it seems poor people commit crimes.

Go figure, that's news.

HumanAction
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2353 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:25:25 AM
@Musuko

But what is that opinion based on?

Well, I can't necessarily state the reasons that papajon0s1 have for that opinion, but I tend to agree with him based on my own research.

First off, I don't think it is appropriate to directly compare homicide rates amongst different countries because it attempts to simplify the complexity in order to shoehorn data into a specific motive. In doing so, we willfully ignore important differences like: geography, culture, race, and other violence.

So for example, some people are quick to point out that Australia effectively "banned guns" and their homicide rates fell. This neglects the fact that their homicide rates were already considerably lower than in the US. In addition, it neglects that the homicide rates were already dropping prior to the ban, and that the rate of decline slumped after the ban relative to other nations.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:21:08 AM
@turdburglar

"We have more guns than we have people. You will never be able to remove them."

You're right, I do ask why not even try? Why is it your national rhetoric says that you can accomplish everything...except for when it suits you?

Again...richest country in the world. You have ZERO excuse for not figuring out how to do it.

"taking away basic rights guaranteed by our constitution."

The constitution is just a peice of paper (parchment?) and it doesn't guarantee you ANY rights; it merely states what rights are inherent in your people.

My god...how is it that *I*, a Brit, am explaining that to you?

Anyway, the constitution is like a dictionary: it merely records, not dictates. And if the rights determined by your society and your democracy changes, your constitution changes with it, as it has numerous times. AMMENDMENTS.

Canoas
Male, 18-29, Europe
 429 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:18:43 AM
@randomxnp
"If you rape someone that is violence too. The rate of rape here is about 3 times the US rate."
Rape per 100k in the UK: 28.8
Rape per 100k in the USA: 27.3
source


5Cats
"32% THEFT = "legal"?
7.6% Fence OR Black Market = both illegal

The POINT of that chart is that ONLY 16% of criminal's guns come from a source that WOULD BE affected by current "gun laws". OK? Unless sweeping new laws are enacted? And many Americans lose their rights? The rest of those sources would not be changed by "more laws"."

Yes, only 16% of those guns are affected by current guns laws, which only proves my point of a need for better gun control. All those guns WERE originally legal, their owners were just not careful enough and had their gun stolen. Therefore, proper gun con

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:15:43 AM
@McGovern1981

"Mexico....."

Going to ignore the cluster at the bottom of the graph, are you? Those nations with extremely strict gun laws, with extremely low levels of gun murder?

Just to focus on an exception to the rule?

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