 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 26255 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 10:22:46 AM
I don't do sammiches.
I like to bake. |
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 Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:33:34 AM
@5Cats
"Fear not! The "femme" gay guy will"
Bollocks will they! I'm the butch one and I literally make the sandwiches, because he controls the doe-eyed look. |
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 patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
5332 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:25:02 AM
@5cats: Come on, we've had legal same sex marriage up here for many years now. Please point out an instance where a church was forced to marry a gay couple. Go on, I'll wait. |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9512 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 9:07:17 AM
But a Justice of the Peace or other Civil Servant cannot make a moral judgement.
True, but they signed up for the position so they waived their right to object. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 8:51:44 AM
"No; you, like Crakr, are 100% wrong. You are also being 100% facetious. If ANYONE for any reason is unwilling to perform such a ceremony they have no obligation to do so."
Not totally correct. No private holy man/woman would be required to. But a Justice of the Peace or other Civil Servant cannot make a moral judgement. They would be required to perform the service for anyone who legally qualifies. If the county judge doesn't like mixed race marriages he cannot legally deny them the right. The same would hold true for same-gender marriage. But that only applies to government clerks, not private ministers. |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9512 Posts
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Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:25:48 AM
@CrakrJak is 100% correct. Until Muslims are FORCED to accept "gay marriage" too? It's 100% hypocricy...
No; you, like Crakr, are 100% wrong. You are also being 100% facetious. If ANYONE for any reason is unwilling to perform such a ceremony they have no obligation to do so. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:32:47 PM
@ 5cats - no, I'm not in favor of any religion and I've never said I was. Bigomy does not require a god. |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17496 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:58:14 PM
But who will make da sammiches!!!!!
@MacGovern: Fear not! The "femme" gay guy will, or the "femenine" gay woman! Strangely, both male and female "dominant" types are called "butch"... what's up with dat?
It is a contract that requires consent.
So @Gerry1: You're ALL FOR ISLAM which allows one male to marry 4 females? How nice of you! Of COURSE it's consentual! Allah wills it! To disagree is blasphamy!
I'm serious here. Not a joke.
This is about forcing churches to accept homosexual couples.
@CrakrJak is 100% correct. Until Muslims are FORCED to accept "gay marriage" too? It's 100% hypocricy... |
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 lauriloo
Female, 40-49, Midwest US
888 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:05:55 PM
"When people are allowed to "marry" whatever they want and as many as they want, Don't tell me we didn't warn all of you. "
For fun, let's go down that slippery slope (that has never happened in any situation it's ever been threatened btw). Say a guy marries his dog. How about a woman marries a tree and adopts several saplings. How does that affect your own marriage? How does that affect how other people feel about your marriage, if you care how they feel about it? Why do you care about other stranger's lives and why would a stranger's actions diminish how you feel about your own marriage? Do other people's divorces affect your marriage? How about those quicky Vegas marriages that end a couple days later? Is marriage that fragile? |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:26:39 PM
Crakr, Let's assume your stats about gays being MORE likely to divorce are accurate. If you would limit the right to marry based on likelyhood of divorce, then you have to limit it according to education level, race/ethnicity, and rape. Yep - rape. Women who have been raped are 4 times more likely to get divorced. So, statistically, they would be more likely than gays to get divorced. Based on your thinking we will have to deny them the right to marry.
Also, blacks are more likely to divorce. Followed by whites, then hispanics and finally asians who top the board by staying together. So Black and Whites should not be allowed to marry...too risky. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:42:21 PM
CrakrJak, your stats are scewed because straights stopped getting married. They just have the baby then break up later with no government record. As for gays, You have to give us more than 3 years of marriage history before you can come up with a statistic. I've been with my hubby for 20 years. My brother has been with his husband for 21 years. {The guys a jerk but my brother likes him.} That's longer than my other brother has been with his wife. But their relationship is "real" and mine is not just because of our wabbly-bits, not because of the commitment level or dedication to our partners. WTH? |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:52:30 PM
Gerry: The magazine statistics like, "Half of all marriages end in divorce", have been proven to be overblown. Actually the divorce rate for heterosexuals is less than a 30%, but the divorce rate for homosexuals is much much higher.
"In Norway, male same-sex marriages are 50 percent more likely to end in divorce than heterosexual marriages, and female same-sex marriages are an astonishing 167 percent more likely to be dissolved. In Sweden, the divorce risk for male-male partnerships is 50 percent higher than for heterosexual marriages, and the divorce risk for female partnerships is nearly double that for men." - UCLA Williams Institute |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:47:36 PM
Divorce ruins the sanctity of marriage.
BAN DIVORCE! |
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Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9512 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:27:16 PM
When people are allowed to "marry" whatever they want and as many as they want, Don't tell me we didn't warn all of you.
The societal consequences of this are just going to further destroy the sanctity of marriage and the family structure.
NEXT!!!! |
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robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
994 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 3:18:47 PM
dude should look into investing in some quality audio recording equipment. and getting some one with a better voice to do the voice over work. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2493 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 2:13:56 PM
'sanctity of marriage'
Sanctification is not a necessary condition of marriage outside of some specific church dogmas. If yours is sanctified it stays sanctified. I'm sure gay marriage can be be sanctified by some churches but it's more of an optional extra. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:59:39 PM
CrakrJak "The societal consequences of this are just going to further destroy the sanctity of marriage and the family structure."
Now THIS I can understand, Crakr. I don't agree. Over half of Differant Sex marriages end in divorce and I cannot name a single child in my neighborhood who lives with both of it's parents. All this without the help of gay people. Face it, straights have screwed it up so bad why not let gays marry, we can't make the statistics any worse. Not even if we fail as bad as straights.
But I do agree with the sentiment, about family and how it has been forgotten in society. Men just make babies and walk away like tom cats and the acceptance of "baby daddies".. no two siblings having the same one... just makes a fellow shake his head. |
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 markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:26:54 PM
The only threat marriage equality will bring to a straight bigot's marriage is paranoid delusions. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:17:31 PM
When people are allowed to "marry" whatever they want and as many as they want, Don't tell me we didn't warn all of you.
The societal consequences of this are just going to further destroy the sanctity of marriage and the family structure.
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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
3783 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:46:59 AM
@Crakrjak, "Oh and that "Consenting Adult" argument doesn't work either, because then the FLDS church would sue to make bigamy legal, claiming that their multiple marriages are "consensual" as well."
As usual the slippery snake has omitted a key word so that he doesn't ever have to admit he is wrong. If you are quoting me please use the whole phrase, "TWO consenting adults." |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:04:07 AM
@CrakrJak
"Once the door is opened to gays, you'll not be able to shut it on others"
Yeah, just like when interracial marriage were made legal!
Oh wait, the opposite of that: just like what DIDN'T happen when interracial marriage were made legal!
*slaps forehead* silly me, getting that mixed up. A-doy! |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 10:18:13 AM
@ CrakrJak - you are officially of my wedding invitation list now!... oh, wait, I still want the gift so, okay I forgive you, you're invited. We're registered at GayMart. |
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LordJim
Male, 50-59, Europe
2493 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:47:30 AM
It's against god's explicit wishes.
It's a long held taboo and socially divisive.
It's a slippery slope that will lead to inter-species marriage.
Are there any anti-gay marriage arguments that weren't used againt mixed-race marriages? Let's remember, only fully legal in 1967. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:27:55 AM
@ Crakr continued
"homosexuals have been able to have "civil unions" in many states for awhile now"
Which are not the same as marriage. They do not have all the same rights and responsibilities and they are not recognized by the Federal Government. "Separate But Equal" never is, even if the back of the bus does go to the same place as the front.
Crakr, the only reason you have is because your faith doesn't allow it. I'm okay with that. But you know it's wrong to force others to live according to YOUR faith. My religious belief is okay with it. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:26:31 AM
@ Crakr continued
"because then the FLDS church would sue to make bigamy legal"
So? First, what someone else does cannot be used as an excuse to limit my civil rights. Hold THEM accountable for their behavior and me for mine. You do that and I promise not to blame you for what the KKK do, 'cause I know you have nothing to do with them.
Also, Bigamy has been practice much longer in history than monogamy. Your own bible supports the idea. Are you saying God is wrong for sanctioning it? And as long as they are consenting adults it's none of our business.
to be continued |
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