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God, Giraffes & Genocide

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kinky_afr0
Male, 18-29, Europe
 576 Posts
Sunday, March 10, 2013 4:03:15 PM
actually......stupid americans

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Tuesday, March 05, 2013 7:35:46 PM
But nothing on the scale of the flood mentioned in Noah's story. Where would the millions of gallons of water have gone, I wonder?


remember when egyptians considered what they knew as the whole world? how about when the americas didn't exist 500 years ago? you're confusing what WE know as the whole world, and what someone 2000 years ago would've considered the whole world.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 1:32:22 PM
"Actually Markust123, The story of Noah can be traced back to the story of Utnapishtam, from the epic of Gilgamesh. It is almost exactly the same story, only substitute the Judeo-Christian God for the Mesopotamian Pantheon."

The author also talks about how that story was worked into the Noah story also (starting on page 79). It's a pretty interesting book. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wants to keep their faith though.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 8:15:55 AM
@5cats: But it's not a matter of where he grips it, it's a simple question of weight ratios. A 1-ounce bird cannot carry a 1-lb coconut!

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 8:10:16 AM
@patchy: How did two kangaroos hop from Australia to the Middle East? I didn't say the story was rational, only that the criticism was misplaced.

This Is How Noah Got The Bamboo! and you know it!

sweetrebelnc
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 787 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 8:01:28 AM
Actually Markust123, The story of Noah can be traced back to the story of Utnapishtam, from the epic of Gilgamesh. It is almost exactly the same story, only substitute the Judeo-Christian God for the Mesopotamian Pantheon.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5597 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 6:06:23 AM
Actually yes there have been several very large floods recorded geologically.

But nothing on the scale of the flood mentioned in Noah's story. Where would the millions of gallons of water have gone, I wonder?

Gen 6:20-21 It says the animals will come TO Noah, and that Noah should gather the required food. It's not "a mystery" it says so right there!

Which still doesn't explain how animals from different continents got there in 7 days, it's not like this is The Ring or something. Also the argument about bamboo still stands.

But whatever, let's keep the fight going!


markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 5:05:29 AM
The story of Noah is really just the Egyptian Creation Story (you have back up to page 73).

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Monday, March 04, 2013 3:08:13 AM
NottaSpy: sorry you don't really seem to have a clear understanding of what faith in God is. I really doubt you have overwhelming evidence that Christianity is a false belief. In fact, it may be only your belief. But mixed with your persistence, it is only leading me to believe you are what you are judging others to be. Have a good day.

handimanner
Male, 50-59, Western US
 1690 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 11:18:48 PM
Several histories from American Indian to The Tales of Gilgamesh have deluge stories and probably document an asteroid strike (either Yucatan or Iceland as the strike point). The "Flood" was actually a tsunami. The myth of Noah's ark is a rationality that evil caused it, like the Baptists do with Katrina, gay sex, etc.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 862 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:43:04 PM
TheGuySmiley, faith is a belief without proof. Delusion is belief in the face of evidence to the contrary. You have shown to persist in your faith in the face of evidence to the contrary. Since the evidence that Christianity is a false belief is overwhelming, that makes you deluded.

Since you believe that you have faith, that means you have no evidence, by definition. So to call me deluded, when I have evidence for my beliefs, is just childish.

As for science and religion co-existing, it may be possible, but that religion wouldn't be any of the Abrahamic religions. What is more likely is that you science/religion catch phrase is nothing more than a catch phrase that you use to console yourself in your delusions.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16130 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:41:05 PM
darkmagic: "Its not 'recorded' geologically..."

Actually yes there have been several very large floods recorded geologically.

One example: The Mediterranean Sea was once a dry salty lake bed. Then the Straits of Gibraltar opened to the Atlantic Ocean and flooded in with catastrophic force.

Long after that, about 7,500 years ago, the water levels in Mediterranean Sea then rose enough to break through and flood into what we now call the Black Sea.

There are other examples as well, like how the Great Lakes flooded and spilled over to form other lakes.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:06:00 PM
Gerry: In addition to that, the absence of a unicorn in the modern world shouldn't be reason to doubt its past existence. For example, the dodo bird does not exist today, but we do not doubt that it existed in the past.

Eighteenth century reports from southern Africa described rock drawings and eyewitness accounts of fierce, single-horned, equine-like animals. Also, the elasmotherium, is said to be an extinct giant rhinoceros with one single horn. The biblical unicorn could have been an aurochs (a kind of wild ox known to the Assyrians as rimu). We just don't know.

But, the Bible is describing a real animal. The unicorn mentioned in the Bible was a powerful animal possessing one or two strong horns. Maybe or maybe not the fantasy animal that has been popularized in movies and books. But whatever it was, it is now likely extinct like many other animals. Perhaps men hunted them for being so powerful? Who knows...

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:58:15 PM
Gerry1of1: if you're referring to something like this:

i dont know what to tell you, because the unicorn mentioned in the Bible was a real animal, not an imaginary creature. To my knowledge the above picture is based on an imaginary creature, and we do not know what the unicorn is exactly. God points out in Job 39:9–12 that the unicorn, “whose strength is great,” is useless for agricultural work, refusing to serve man or “harrow (plow) the valley.” The Bible describes unicorns skipping like calves (Psalm 29:6), traveling like bullocks, and bleeding when they die (Isaiah 34:7).

As the previous pics i showed you display, a single-horned feature is not uncommon on God’s menu for animal design, but what this unicorn looked like is anyone's guess.

darkmagic14n
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1633 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:55:33 PM
not going to read the comments, but this is one of the few stories from the Bible that blow my mind. Its not 'recorded' geologically, but the flood is written about in EVERY ancient text all over the world (not just abrahamic religions).

protip:

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3054 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:54:03 PM

This makes me wonder if giraffes can swim.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33696 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:45:58 PM

@ TheGuySmiley - those aren't unicorns.
I know 'cause I have pictures of unicorns all over my bedroom.

TheGuySmiley
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1222 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 8:45:14 PM
NottaSpy: I think you have me mistaken for someone else. I've already posted that religion without science is blind, and science without religion is lame; they'll both co-exist and complement one another. But at any rate, about your opinion of God, well let me ask you this: if someone was saying someone or something was a certain way without actually knowing them or it, wouldn't it be delusional for them to be judging them or it? The good book can teach you to know God and grow your faith in Him, but if you don't want to use the scriptures to find God but use it to judge God, well thats your choice. Personally, I like to read between the lines and find the hidden lessons.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:34:40 PM
BTW @Gerry1: That's what happened to the unicorns.

Noah: I sacrifice this duck, which is Kosher and clean in the eyes of God!
Duck: Quack! *chop!*
Noah: I sacrifice this unicorn, which is Kosher and clean in the eyes of God!
Unicorn: Neigh! *chop!*
Noah's Wife: NOAH! You old idiot! Unicorns aren't Kosher! There was only TWO of them!
Noah: Oops...

@Kegomatix: I don't believe that stuff! I'm a Deist! I'm just saying, if you're going to make fun of something? At least use the FACTS & not make poop up!

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1245 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:28:25 PM
And what is funny, 5Cats, is that even though you can admit how odd and weird it is, you still accept it as fact. The truth doesn't sound any more plausible. The whole thing just looks like a childrens book... A very sick, twisted childrens book.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:20:30 PM
God doesn't refuse man at anytime.

@WayOldMan: Well, not AFTER the Noah story! Eh? Since God decided to kill ALL of humanity ("refuse him") but kept Noah. Then He vowed never to do that again because Noah makes a "clean sacrifice" on an alter... Good thing there were more than 2 of each! LOLZ!!!

btw: Noah's wife is mentioned (iirc) 14 times but her name is never given...

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 21813 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:12:30 PM
Noah's story IS very odd, but deliberately mis-quoting the Bible is a fools game. Often played by atheists!

Gen 6:20-21 It says the animals will come TO Noah, and that Noah should gather the required food. It's not "a mystery" it says so right there!

Gen 7:2 7 pairs of "clean animals" DUH! That is those OK'd by the laws of Kosher. This is not a "contradiction" it's talking about entirely different animals.

Gen 7:4 Noah did build the Ark, gather the food and all the animals came IN A WEEK! (just 7 days) but this "enlightened video" skips over that part...

Genesis 8:7 First Noah sent out a RAVEN! At least TRY to get the story right! He sent the Dove out THREE TIMES!

Gen 8:20 THEN! Then Noah takes 1 of each of those "clean" animals and birds (of which there were 14 each) and SACRIFICES THEM! And God likes the burning smell!

WHY make things up when the truth is weird enough as is?

BDT1981
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 132 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 5:08:56 PM
look, Noah's ark has been worked over to death by atheist. If literalist haven't seen fit to leave the faith yet, they are not going to because you say the Ark would have been impossible. Please just let the stupid people believe their stupid thoughts.

Secondly, why does nobody ask what became of all the plants on the earth?

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 862 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 4:44:54 PM
TheGuySmiley, what is sad is that you think the Bible has a lot of metaphorical stories because you have been brought up in a world of science. Science that you embrace when it gives you a long, healthy, prosperous existence, but shun when it contradicts your delusions.

Also, I don't know how anyone reads the Bible and concludes that God is the author of love when He is the most vile, petty, and vindictive character in the whole book.

spanerbulb
Male, 30-39, Europe
 1189 Posts
Sunday, March 03, 2013 2:21:44 PM
The bible is simply a collection of fairy tales that deliver a moral message, useful enough if you lacked a decent upbringing and need moral guidance, but some of the tales are hateful and twisted. Religion should always be remembered as the first signs of humans starting to really think about the world around them and admired for what it is, but as a species we do need to move on and stop using it as a crutch.

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