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 tuapui
Male, 18-29, Asia
 89 Posts
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Saturday, March 02, 2013 9:59:34 AM
no. vfx isn't easy. rotoscoping is nothing to laugh at. |
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 rickwhite
Male, 30-39, Canada
125 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 1:24:53 PM
The entertainment industry is probably the one business that everyone is an expert on--yet doesn't work in. Because they read something on a blog, saw entertainment tonight, etc etc.
As someone who works in post-production, this is VERY refreshing to see. It's about damn time the word got out about how disgusting a sweat-shop it is. There is no other industry where people have such high-skill, education, and put such investment into themselves to have such little return.
It would blow your mind how poorly everyone is paid & treated, and worst of all, how thankless the job is... even though it saves everyone's ass, EVERY. TIME.
There are times I make less than minimum wage, get no compensation for overtime, have no benefits, sick days, etc.
And I'm reminded, every day, how lucky I am to be working by someone who can barely use a computer, takes a 2 hour lunch, and makes $2500 a week. |
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robthelurker
Male, 18-29, Canada
761 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:39:55 PM
i never noticed thor standing there like a bad ass in that scene in avengers when cap is blocking the blast of fire with his shield protecting black widow. this seems kind of pushy. every one knows how important visual effects are to modern day movie making, weve seen avatar. this non-nice individual doesnt need to act like no one cares. |
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 malikymoo
Female, 18-29, Europe
1945 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:01:07 AM
cooooooooooooooooool |
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 EgalM
Male, 18-29, Canada
1667 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:57:31 AM
Give credit where credit is due, everyone goes home happy. |
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 Howler81
Male, 18-29, Southern US
228 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:53:45 AM
Listen to the commentary on "Avengers." Whedon talks a LOT about meeting with the VFX team to create the Hulk: bringing in Mark Ruffalo in to talk about certain scenes with them (not just for the motion capture), talking about his ideas for the Hulk's inner nature, writing letters, and describing the Hulk as a collaborative effort between Ruffalo and the team. That's why the 10 minutes of onscreen Hulk in the Avengers is more effective than the entirety of Ang Lee's "Hulk" film. |
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 HolyGod
Male, 30-39, Western US
2888 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:25:04 AM
Ang Lee is probably still pissed at visual artists because of the incredible hulk. |
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 MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:15:10 AM
ak4775-"I've tried to explain to my eleven yr old the talent it took to actually create special effects prior to cgi."
I agree. The sculpting, video tricks and laborious stop-motion took talent. Much more interesting than someone sitting before a computer.
But, alas, it's common. I learned graphic design when you still used straight edges, rapidographs, ink, paint and non-photo blue pencils. When you still lettered by hand and to make a 3" logo you drew it 3 feet accross and photostatted it down to keep it clean.
Yes, thanks to computers you can do great graphic design, quicker faster and cleaner. BUT, for the most part, we've lost a lot of the art that used to go into it. |
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 Justin9235
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
1558 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:41:45 AM
@tuapui
I do vfx as a hobby and it's pretty damn easy. Sure complex animation can get pretty tricky (say the tiger), but a lot of this stuff isn't very complicated. That being said, I still think the vfx department deserves a lot of credit. |
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tuapui
Male, 18-29, Asia
89 Posts
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Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:51:03 AM
wow. people just don't understand how hard vfx is and how little the artists are paid. it's not about how movies would look without vfx, or if vfx artists are paid or not. its about how ignorant people are about jobs they know nothing about, and how little they value the people who work their asses off to add value to entertainment for the people with 'respectable jobs' that would like to unwind after a long day, or someone who would like to get lost in a fantasy. |
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 FinePoint
Male, 18-29, Western US
131 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:05:07 PM
awe boo hoo...you still got paid didnt ya? quit complaining and do your damn job. |
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 ak4775
Male, 30-39, Southern US
365 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:04:19 PM
I've tried to explain to my eleven yr old the talent it took to actually create special effects prior to cgi. He still has a limit on how old a movie is before he'll watch it. So I force him. Damn sad is what it is. |
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comp_wizard
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
190 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:38:20 PM
A lot of those examples COULD have been done using costumes, makeup and pyrotechnics instead of VFX work. Movie studios simply rely on the computer enhancements because they're cheaper. |
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 SilverThread
Male, 30-39, Western US
3360 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:30:45 PM
What about the drug dealers that keep Hollywood rolling in cocaine? They are the unsung heros of the entertainment industry.
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 Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2695 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:21:12 PM
So long as it's done well who gives a poopty doo? |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:23:26 PM
Suicism-"Doesn't mean they shouldn't be recognized as individuals."
Doesn't mean they should, either. Quite frankly, I don't care if any of them get recognized: Actor, composer, directors, etc. The entire awards things is just a bunch of make-believers patting each other on the back make-believing they actually matter.
Yes, they are artists. So what? So am I. I don't care for recognition, I just want the paycheck.
If you want your art to be appreciated, fine, more power to you. I want my work to be appreciated, too. Show me your appreciation in cash.
For those works that are personal, that I want to do, that I feel need to be done? I do that on my own time, expecting no pay and no subsidies. Sometimes I sell them, sometimes I donate them, sometimes I keep them.
Being an artist is just a job. Kinda like being a welder.
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 mykunter
Male, 40-49, Southern US
1576 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:02:20 PM
Visual effects alone do not make a great movie.
Avatar sucked. |
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 Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
3534 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:48:13 PM
MeGrendel - I'm not sure what your point is, but the same goes for editing. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be recognized as individuals. |
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skullgrin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
853 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:46:31 PM
as an artist I don't care. |
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 Ston
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
195 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:44:38 PM
It's not about paychecks. It's about recognition, and respect. They're artists, and they just want some recognition, instead of just being a line in the credits.
their goal is that you don't notice that what you see is CGI. To blur that line between what's real and what's not. They did a damn good job on the tiger, and people who don't know it's CGI probably thought that the tiger had a damn good trainer.
All the team that created the co-star of the movie wants is some recognition. |
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 panth753
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
8124 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:29:06 PM
If it makes the movie more interesting, I don't care. |
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 FoolsPrussia
Male, 18-29, Western US
2854 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:22:21 PM
"And the fact that these whiny douche-bags feel as if they should get something other than their PAYCHECKS is laughable."
This goes way beyond the Oscar issue. There is a huge problem in Hollywood right now with the way the studios treat visual effects artists. Studios are asking more and more of them, and not paying them for the extra work. Many visual effects artists have to work long hours without overtime. In other cases, artists are losing their jobs to outsourcing more and more, where the studios can get shots done for cheap. |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25555 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:09:08 PM
Stuntmen "You never see them get awards"
Legendary stuntman Hal Needham was given an award at the 2013 Oscars. |
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MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
2321 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:54:21 PM
Yes, they are artists. But to be truly a master of visual effects you have to aim to go unnoticed.
You don't want a spectator to go 'Hey, cool effect'. You want them to not realizee it is an effect at all.
CrakrJak-"There was a time when CGI was unknown"
And, there was one movie, TRON (1982) that was disqualified from receiving an Academy Award nomination for special effects, because the Academy felt at the time that using computers was "cheating". |
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 CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
1198 Posts
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Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:45:50 PM
Yes, I would. And the fact that these whiny douche-bags feel as if they should get something other than their PAYCHECKS is laughable. |
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