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Gun Control In Australia

Hits: 9480 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: turdburglar
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sonofd
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 48 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:23:19 PM
RE: gigs1890

You're either lying or completely unaware of what's going on in your country. A quick search of Wikipedia proves you wrong. Link

gigs1890
Male, 18-29, Australia
 32 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:42:47 PM
since the gun laws, that is

gigs1890
Male, 18-29, Australia
 32 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:34:48 PM
Unconcerned australian here. Number of mass shootings (at malls, at schools, etc and so forth): 0. none. nothing.

epiphany101
Female, 30-39, Australia
 510 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 10:03:09 PM
This video is just blatantly wrong & misleading. I started to write a big long-winded discussion as to why but this and this actually explain it quite well. Hate to burst the NRA's bubble but Aussie criminals simply AREN'T going round breaking into little old ladies' houses & threatening to shoot them with illegal firearms. Gun advocates are also the minority over here...if you asked the general population about gun control, I think most people would say they're pleased these weapons are no longer easily available.

flying_ltj
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 340 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:58:05 PM
I wonder how many more years it will be till people with right wing views figure out calling someone with left wing views "liberal" is not an insult, but rather a compliment?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12942 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:11:03 PM
A video by NRAIS1. That doesn't sound biased.

Typical liberal. When faced with irrefutable facts, slander the messenger.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:45:37 PM

Kain1 - Don't be so arrogant, of course I undestand stats.
It's simple: If the average arrogant european becomes 2x as arrogant over 2 years...that's a 200% increase of european arrogance.
So where's you're evidence to say THIS statistical variation is coincidence? How have you decided that 69% is not enough. Australia is kinda large, so 69% is a large increase. It's a simple post that shows 1 point of view. No one post will ever show all the data there is, but to just say it doesn't count because it doesn't backup your point of view is arrogant.

SpermNinja81
Male, 30-39, Australia
 458 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:58:23 PM
Yeah, this video is biased bullpoo. to be fair, the last few years has seen an increase in gun violence, particularly in Sydney and Melbourne, due to an ongoing Bikie 'war', although the victims are mostly limited to the MC's involved, not the general public. One might argue that the murder rate was already on the decline before the buyback scheme, and that the new laws did nothing to actually decrease the firearms murder rate, But according to most of the figures I've seen, the laws have NEVER increased the number of firearm deaths. Fortunately for the pro-gun side, it's hard to actually prove the effectiveness of these laws, you can't count the number of murders that MIGHT have happened or were prevented because someone couldn't easily get their hands on a gun. But at the end of the day, even a 100% increase in gun deaths here would still translate to THOUSANDS LESS victims than the US per year.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:17:36 PM
@turdburglar: I don't think you understand statistics.

If you have, say 10 instances of that type of crime in a one month period, and then the next month there are 17. That's a 70% increase. But that increase could still lie well within the expected statistical variance over a longer period of time, say, years. That change could very well be coincidental and meaningless. That's why a number like "69%" is not enough.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:14:51 PM
A video by NRAIS1. That doesn't sound biased.

Solvent
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2855 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 7:10:49 PM
How do you fight the kangaroos without guns?

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24124 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:55:13 PM
I know for a fact that:
#1 Canada's "Long Rifle Registration" cost countless billions and did absolutely nothing.
#2 Australia's "gun murder" rates have NOT fallen since the "gun ban".

At least Canada's government stopped enforcing that idiotic law. Australians will NEVER get their guns back.

And as they said: next they're coming for the rest of the guns. Sooner or later, ONLY criminals will be armed.

Crossbows? Bow & Arrow? Knives? ALL will be "restricted". Criminals will run amuk!

Meanwhile, in Virginia USA: Gun ownership (legal) has risen sharply in the past 10 years. And ALL crimes, including "gun crimes" have fallen.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:37:00 PM

I can't speak to this.
I'd rather we all just shut up and let the Ausies IABers tell us if this was accurate or not.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:14:14 PM

The big difference between Australia and the US as I see it would be:

1)In USA there are almost no records on who bought guns, how many, and where they are. If govt ever showed up at my door asking for my guns, I can just say "I sold them at a garage sale to some guy I never met" which is perfectly legal.
2)There are WAY MORE guns in the USA, which would make it nearly impossible to get them all.

I realize that at the moment people are screaming for gun control, and not complete removal. This just shows that complete removal is the next step after control, and that it's not beyond reason to think a government would try such an approach.

Nerd_Rage
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 423 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:10:01 PM
Ha. A police run state. Ha ha. So Funny. It takes them 5-10 minutes to get to you after you call them. IF YOU GET THE CHANCE TO CALL THEM.

I WILL NOT GIVE UP MY RIGHT OF SELF PRESERVATION.

CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS.

DO NOT BE FOOLED.

YOU CAN HAVE MY GUNS WHEN YOU PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:08:45 PM

I posted this awhile ago, so my memory is a bit foggy. I believe this was a few years after the ban. It's defiantly not a brand new report. I think the point still remains. At the time I looked up some more current stats, but I won't try to give numbers from memory.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:26:55 PM

Patchgrabber - weak. Of all the people on IAB, I didn't think YOU would ignore stats. You use them all the time. If numbers where already low, then why the ban? Either way these particular numbers show the ban was a bad idea. I realize somebody else can dig up numbers which support you're POV. Will you say numbers are meaningless then?

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:23:02 PM
Also, this video looks a little old. I'd like to know when it was produced. You can't really look at immediate, year to year, crime statistics and get an accurate understanding.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3397 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:19:49 PM
Here is a rebuttal to these statistics.

Before you criticize the source, you may want to read what he says at the bottom of the page:

"Full Disclosure: I am a gun owner, and an owner of a real assault weapon that comes complete with bayonet. I do not want my guns banned or regulated to the point that I can’t use them. However, it bothers me greatly that inventing reasons out of thin air to justify why we must protect our right to bear arms is also wrong. I tolerate bending facts well but BOGUS is bogus."

ForSquirel
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1512 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:14:54 PM
It's not meaningless though. The mere cause and effect is more than enough proof. If the disarmament of a society results in any marked and measurable increase in criminal activities then that should say something.

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5683 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:11:59 PM
Lame. Percentages provide no context. If the number is already low, or over a small time frame, a 69% increase is meaningless.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3321 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:56:10 PM
Link: Gun Control In Australia [Rate Link] - A look at crime in Australia after the ban.

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