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Gun Control In Australia

Hits: 9489 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: turdburglar
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chalket
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2481 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 10:05:12 AM
<sarc>well, that wasn't biased at all, was it? </sarc>
or at all accurate, for that matter.

nettech98
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 989 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 9:02:03 AM
"Kain1 - Don't be so arrogant, of course I undestand stats.
It's simple: If the average arrogant european becomes 2x as arrogant over 2 years...that's a 200% increase of european arrogance. "

LOL - 2 times anything is a 100% increase...

Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
 2864 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:59:24 AM
what they dont they you crime was doubling without the gun ban

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:37:07 AM
"blah blah blah rhetoric rhetoric think about the children the sky is falling the government is coming. next."

The funniest thing is it is a just a big ploy by the gun lobbyists and the NRA to sell more guns. They did this during Clinton and now with a black president they really get to freak people out. It's funny how people just buy into it. But then again fear is a powerful manipulation tool.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:33:08 AM
"LOL! Next you'll be telling me that the National Socialists weren't socialists."

That would have been funny if I didn't know you were serious. The misinformation that comes from you is staggering. You meed to clear out all the lies Glenn Beck planted in your head. It is making you look like a moron. No wonder you are so partisan.

Wundt
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 364 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 8:32:29 AM
And now for the reality... Australia has seen an 80% reduction in gun crime since ban and mandatory buy-back when into effect. They have had fewer suicides and no 'mass killings' on the scale we see in the USA almost monthly.

abrxax
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 72 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:29:01 AM
Seems about right..The Gov't can't stop drugs from coming into the county..How are they going to stop guns.

fancythat
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1943 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:23:37 AM
blah blah blah rhetoric rhetoric think about the children the sky is falling the government is coming. next.

timbarooni
Male, 30-39, Australia
 3 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 7:16:08 AM
I know this has been mentioned already, but I'd like to add my confirmation that this video is oooooooold. And the barest easiest factchecking will prove that this is a cobbled together piece of crap. For example, Trevor Griffin was the Attorney General of SOUTH AUSTRALIA (not the whole freaking country) from 1979 to 1982, more than ten years before the gun buy-back scheme he's supposedly talking about. One example...

greekhop
Male, 30-39, Europe
 116 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 6:53:53 AM
Madduck, thats a great argument for gun control and universal healthcare Ive never heard before. You got a point. I do think the healthcare side of the debate is far more complicated than that though. I not informed about the gun control side of things, since its not on my radar; in my country this is not an issue. Whoever wants a gun can get one for hunting, nobody else cares, gun crime is relatively low here in Greece.

But about health care, in the two countries I lived in with supposed universal coverage (which I support), the goverment just used the health insurance premiums of the nation for 'other purposes' or they are lost to corruption and mismanagement. So, I pay for the coverage, but dont actually get the coverage. I have to get a private coverage too. But the cost of the non-functioning coverage is a massive drain on the economy and my budget. The media and political arena is so dominted by vested interests and oligarchs that youd neve know if we like it or not.

sariel
Male, 18-29, Australia
 78 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 6:47:29 AM
When people point guns at each other the bad guy doesn't get blasted away. Everyone dies. The end. Don't you people watch Tarantino movies??

patchgrabber
Male, 30-39, Canada
 5717 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 5:41:30 AM
ForSquirel: "It's not meaningless though. The mere cause and effect is more than enough proof.

I didn't see cause and effect there, as they didn't provide a rate or a time frame so you can account for population growth and outliers.

turdburglar: "Patchgrabber - weak. Of all the people on IAB, I didn't think YOU would ignore stats. You use them all the time. If numbers where already low, then why the ban?"

It's a stretch to call those stats. My point is that they didn't even source their stats, so:
a)They could be made up
b)If they aren't, they could just be cherry-picking, since they didn't say that rise was for all of Australia.

But if you'd like to learn more about how statistics can be misleading, check out the snopes page on the gun ban.

charlatan75
Male, 18-29, Australia
 42 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 4:22:35 AM
@baradhili I totally agree. Not to mention the video is terribly outdated, from about 1996. Since then, a steady increase in gun crimes up to 1996 turned into a steady decline (from about 1998) in gun-related violence and death. Easy to find the true figures on a whole range of crimes from the Institute of Criminology website http://www.aic.gov.au. But, instead of true and accurate statistics, we get an episode of A Current Affair or some other crap from 1996, awesome.

Simple comparison of gun laws Aus vs. US... I know where most people would feel safer walking down a city street at night. I know I don't NEED a gun to feel safe in MY neighbourhood.

baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
 162 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 4:19:12 AM
5Cats - hate to burst your bubble.. crossbows, bow pistols basically _any_ projectile weapon - is banned here except on ranges. You can have them, but you need to prove 1. you are sane, 2. you have a legitimate reason ot have one, 3. you have the means to secure it properly - and the police can inspect your gun safe at any time

The result - so little gun action that its normally the police who are the shooters - even the bikies don't normally fight with guns. Mass killings (more than 5 in one go) zeroed out once auto and semi-auto weapons were banned totally (its kinda hard to kill lots when someone can have a go at you between loading.

Meanwhile in teh US - multiple murders using semi-auto weapons seems to be a bit like paris hilton - everyone seems to be will to have a go.

baradhili
Male, 40-49, Australia
 162 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 4:12:33 AM
WTF? I guess the truth has nothing to do with a good video... The number of armed robberies has dropped to zero - I can't remember the last time there was one of them here.

madduck
Female, 50-59, Europe
 5786 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 3:38:39 AM
when argueing the rights and wrongs of gun control, and/healthcare it seems that people who live in countries with strict gun control prefer it that way- they don't campaign to get the laws relaxed- likewise social healthcare- those who have it are happy and want to keep it. In countries with lax gun control there are a lot of people who want tighter laws and plenty who fear them. If gun control was such a bad thing surely the countries who have tight control would be demanding more guns???

DisownedRose
Female, 18-29, Australia
 19 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 3:33:47 AM
Despite all this delightful banter, the stringent laws on guns here and the difficulty of obtaining both firearms, firearm licence's and the harsh penalty's for unregistered firearm possession etc. do keep firearm deaths very low. That said, it doesn't mean it keeps Australia free from tragedy. No matter what laws are imposed, there will always be those who find a way. Just look at the Hoddle Street Massacre, Port Arthur and the Monash shooting. Though I definitely agree it would be a thousand times worse if our laws were as lax as the U.S.

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2451 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 3:15:24 AM
In summary, when we look at Australia's crime RATES instead of their absolute numbers, little has changed since the buy back program. But part of that could be because less than 1/5th of the guns that were owned by Australians were actually collected.

RobSwindol
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2451 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 3:12:59 AM
Wow. More misinformation for the people who bask in their ignorance.

While I do admit that the buy back program did little to nothing to decrease crime, it also did little to nothing to increase crime. These "statistics" are highly skewed. When it talks about home invasions being up 21%, armed assault being up 26%, and homicide being up 19%, they bender take into consideration that Australia's population is up 27% since the buy back program. The percentages they offer are based on absolute numbers that do not take into account population growth. Of course if a population grows by 25%, their crime will also raise by 25%. That's quite logical. But if the population grown by 27% and the murder rate only grows by 19%, then that means that the murder rate has actually dropped.

Also, the armed robbery boost seems to only look at the absolute worst years (during the economic recession around 2000) compared to the absolute best years.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14376 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:44:26 AM
What???? Fascism is pretty much the exact opposite of liberalism.

LOL! Next you'll be telling me that the National Socialists weren't socialists. That fact is, American "progressives" all thought Mussolini was the cat's meow till WW II broke out. The walls of Rockefeller Center even featured his likeness in bas relief. The close connections between European fascists and American progressives have pretty well been scrubbed from the history taught in public schools, but they can't erase the facts.

Before you go on to make an even bigger fool of yourself, check this out.

http://tinyurl.com/a6m3hej

Kallio
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:25:22 AM
Well, here are the "gun controll"-sides numbers, and from what google tells me, they're pretty accurate.

Image is from this page

Llews
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:09:22 AM
OMG Sonofd you are right! since the ban a staggering 2 people have been killed in mass shooting in Australia, that's almost 1 in 10 million people killed in mass shootings

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:04:14 AM
I should consider the source. You are a product of Glenn Beck's revisionist "history" lessons. Please forget I even responded to you.

markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Monday, February 25, 2013 12:01:40 AM
"You started out as "fascists" till that name fell out of favor"

What???? Fascism is pretty much the exact opposite of liberalism. I can understand the socialism and communist insults from the right. I mean, that's fun - associating liberals to those extremes. I would probably do it if I was a partisan conservative. But you really show that have you have no idea what you are talking about when you call liberals fascists.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14376 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 11:30:30 PM
I wonder how many more years it will be till people with right wing views figure out calling someone with left wing views "liberal" is not an insult, but rather a compliment?

If that's true, why do you guys keep changing your name? You started out as "fascists" till that name fell out of favor, then you became "progressives" till they disgraced themselves, then you became "liberals." Now that "liberal" is becoming a synonym for failure, you want to be called "progressives" again, hoping people won't remember the history of progressivism.

It's not that we are using "liberal" as an insult so much as liberals always manage to turn whatever name they choose to call themselves into an insult. You can call yourselves whatever you like, but it will always become an insult, because your ideas always fail.

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