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Bill Moyers: When We Kill Without Caring

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markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:14:21 PM
You know what I like about you Gerry? I don't always know what side you are going to be on. That is how life should be.

CaptKangaroo
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 2059 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:11:51 PM
We're caring about the people we're killing? Is that a thing now? Did Humans EVER care about the folks they've killed? When Vikings looked 'em in the eye and hacked 'em to bits with a great sword or battle ax, did they ever think, "I feel a connection here, gosh, I really like this guy, his blood spattering and bits flying every which way is just so considerate and amiable."
I don't think so.
Still, the drone program is something I wish we hadn't developed or implemented.

thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 8:00:18 PM
So...err...what does moving the pilot from safety into the roosterpit seat do exactly? Sounds like lip service.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:35:47 PM

They said the same thing when Arrows were invented.
"You couldn't see your enemies eyes" Killing from
a distance was considered to have no honor.
The same thing when the gun was invented and canons.
Then when the plane was invented and you never saw
your enemy.
Then the A bomb.

Now drones. Same arguement, but the progress of
war moves on.

kittilia
Female, 18-29, Western US
 503 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:30:30 PM
People are still guiding these drones. They don't kill autonomously. In fact, instead of one person flying a plane, looking down at the ground, there is a group of people monitoring and discussing video feeds of high resolution, and coming up with the best plan of action. I don't believe this will increase the "collateral damage" at all. People are just scared of the unfamiliar.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:24:42 PM
"I don't think it matters if it was a soldier or a drone. The issue appears to be the policy. Govt. seems to have adopted the idea that they can do whatever they want, and keep it secret as long as they are using drones."

I agree, actually. The only difference, though, is that a soldier might have an easier time assessing a situation on the ground and knowing when not to fire. It's harder to do that from 5000 feet.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:24:03 PM

Where did we get this pussy mentality that war should not have casualties.


markust123
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3784 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:16:03 PM
The use of drones for this purpose is one of the areas I greatly disagree with President Obama. I'm really disappointed that he hasn't pushed back harder against the military leaders in this instance. For every enemy we kill with a drone we create hundreds and thousands of more enemies through the negativity of the action.

What's funny are the people that blame President Obama completely for these strikes but gave him no credit for killing Bin Ladin. That is quite a feat to be so involved with the drones but at the same time have nothing to do with the Seal Team 6 mission.

turdburglar
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3603 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:14:25 PM

I get exactly what patchouly is getting at. I don't think it matters if it was a soldier or a drone. The issue appears to be the policy. Govt. seems to have adopted the idea that they can do whatever they want, and keep it secret as long as they are using drones. However...if the rules are the same, I see no difference between being killed by a manned or unmanned aircraft.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 872 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:09:43 PM
"What's the difference between a soldier who is trained to kill, heartlessly and a drone that is programmed to kill, heartlessly? Only difference I can see is that you aren't putting a soldier's life at risk."

The difference is what we become when war has no risk.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:04:30 PM

Sure, we should make war much more personal.
Let's go back to men in planes carpet bombing cities
like we did to Germany & Japan. We were hero's back then.
This would solve the prolem of the Al Quida sympathy
rising in that town he mentioned. Take out the town!

Oh, you don't like war "old school style". Then get
used to drones.

BLiTZxxKRiEG
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 10 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:02:30 PM
drones don't get PTSD

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:01:21 PM
@patchouly: Did you watch the video? He describes a situation in which a tribal leader stands up to Al Qaeda and is then killed in an American drone strike. That only helps Al Qaeda and other militant groups.

Kain1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1463 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 5:01:18 PM
The drone strike policy is definitely f'ed up..

patchouly
Male, 40-49, Canada
 4567 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:45:28 PM
What's the difference between a soldier who is trained to kill, heartlessly and a drone that is programmed to kill, heartlessly? Only difference I can see is that you aren't putting a soldier's life at risk.

FoolsPrussia
Male, 30-39, Western US
 3398 Posts
Sunday, February 24, 2013 4:39:03 PM
Link: Bill Moyers: When We Kill Without Caring [Rate Link] - Moyers illustrates the danger we bring upon ourselves with drone strikes

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